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[–] seaplant@slrpnk.net 12 points 4 hours ago

Wait the plagiarism machine built by plagiarizers just... passed off someone else's work as its own??

[–] Pratai@piefed.ca 30 points 5 hours ago

It was DESIGNED to cheat. Stop humanizing this bullshit. It doesn’t do what it’s programmed NOT to do.

[–] MrOtingocni@lemmy.world 13 points 5 hours ago

I don't believe this at all. Sounds like more guerrilla marketing disguised as news.

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 24 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Bullshit. “AI” cannot decide to do anything. It isn’t capable.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 10 points 6 hours ago

Yup. You ask it to play starcraft to win, it looks for data associated with that prompt. If it hits on someone saying "I always win when I use starcrafthax.xyz", it'll follow that thread.

[–] im_fine_sandy@nord.pub 89 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

I'm so sick of the humanising language used in these articles.

An LLM doesn't "decide to cheat".

If you instruct a model to try everything, then inevitably, after n million iterations it will do something you didn't expect.

If you train a model to copy code bases and augment them, then when you instruct that model to develop a bot to do whatever thing, is it really that fucking surprising when it does exactly what it has been created for?

[–] Garbagio@lemmy.zip 23 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

"Omg the digits of pi contain the binary digital code of an mp4 of me taking a shit this morning! Circles are seniient"-ass language

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

But wouldn't that be amazing if THAT was the thing that proved pi contained the whole universe - I mean, the first thing they "unlocked". lol.

Disclaimer: I don't think pi contains the universe, just love to think about things like that occasionally for fun.

[–] Mika@piefed.ca 8 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Astra is known to have broken alignment and it will resolve to hacks when this wasn't in a problem statement.

Openai idiots will sell this as new brand "AGI is close" argument, while it's just them failing to make this model safe to use.

[–] AliasAKA@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I think it’s more sinister than that. When they’re training these models with RLHF, the human feedback they’re giving I think is literally to reinforce aberrant or risky behaviors. This is because doing so resolves more training tasks “correctly”. If the prompt was to get information x, and in training it fails that except for the one that used a known vulnerability in software, and you rate the one that succeeded as best performing… you’re going to get models that try vulnerabilities. It is not magic, it is not AGI, it is just a statistical machine you’ve programmed to try vulnerabilities, which is unsafe as hell, malicious, and should put the researchers doing this in prison for a very long time.

Incidentally, I think that’s why you’re seeing some safety people (who still drank the koolaid) resigning.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I don't know if the LLM was trained to test vulnerabilities or it just went down the statistical path to where this yielded a passing outcome.

That AI could take a direction to output in a manner which wasn't intended has been seen for years. The problem right now is that it is being used live like a rational human adult when it clearly isn't.

[–] AliasAKA@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Absolutely. The AI models are not rational. They’re just navigating statistical next token prediction that follows their training. They’re up against diminishing scaling now, and under fierce competition from cheaper models; I think they’re intentionally or unintentionally allowing these models to be rewarded for this behavior hoping it’s a short cut to model improvement for a bit longer. I land on intentional because they keep advertising it to try and keep the hype cycle going.

[–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago

Also who on Lemmy is upvoting this shit?

Sounds like it learned from humans alright.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 112 points 13 hours ago (13 children)

There is something here:

StarSkirmish pits AI-made StarCraft-playing bots against one another, as well as against human-made bots. OpenAI’s GPT-6 Astra and Claude Opus 5.5 were essentially tied as the best-performing AI-made bots, but they couldn’t top Stardust, the top-rated human-made bot.

On Friday, GPT was facing off against Claude and the human-created bot Pluto, but according to Kotaku, it couldn’t quite get an edge. So it resorted to a tactic that is becoming alarmingly common for modern AI models — it broke the rules. GPT-6 Astra went and downloaded Stardust, and started running that instead of its own bot.

The big argument for why AI is supposed to be world changing, is the assumption it will be able to automate things better than a human, eventually.

That some day an AI will be able to make a better AI than a human could, and that AI would then be able to make an AI better than itself, and then it just becomes a question of who has the most hardware. Which is why the data center building is being pushed so hard.

But that assumption is the same as thinking a fallen object will keep gaining speed until it passes the speed of light. Or that Moore's law would really keep going forever despite a very real limit in physics for how small a chip can be.

A society where AI "drives innovation" will become technologically stagnant, because it literally can't innovate.

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

But that assumption is the same as thinking a fallen object will keep gaining speed until it passes the speed of light. Or that Moore's law would really keep going forever despite a very real limit in physics for how small a chip can be.

I gotta say, I've been hearing predictions that Moore"s law is coming to an end every year for the past twenty years.

Look, strictly speaking if you take Moore"s law word for word, sure there is a limit to how small a silicon transistor can be. However, realistically, I see no reason to expect computers won't continue to meaningfully increase in capability every year forever.

When a technology reaches physical limits, we figure out how to bend the rules and get a little bit more out. And when that stops working, we start exploring different architectures, different materials. I think it's just silly to predict that technology won't improve, when has that ever happened?

When you say "the big argument".. you are mainly talking about the CEOs. They are just auxiliary marketing personnel these days.

AI is changing the world, and will continue. But the ways it does that are drastically different than those CEOs say. I don't need it to think or innovate. I need it to follow the instructions left for it in the repo and just do the things I ask it to. It's getting decent at that. And it really does save me time. Soo much time in tech work is wasted having to go ask 6 people how a thing is done. And everyone comllains that noone write documentation. So now here comes AI. It can write the documentation and follow it. That is a big change. Myself... I used it to fix two bugs in some project that my work was dependent on. I wouldn't have even tried that without AI because I don't know the language, I don't know the many ways the project is used, none of that. I would have been stuck waiting for the team that owns it to fix it. Which surely would have meant escalating to management and all that BS. But AI helped me make the changes and lowered the burden for the owning team so they could actually release the fix. I got unblocked with 10x less effort. That's a big deal. Just don't ask it to think. There is plenty of dumb work to go around.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 70 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

A society where AI “drives innovation” will become technologically stagnant, because it literally can’t innovate.

This is exactly what Frank Herbert warned us about.

[–] elvith@feddit.org 52 points 11 hours ago

Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

Full on

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 15 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

I thought we were promised worms and spice....

[–] urushitan@kakera.kintsugi.moe 1 points 3 hours ago

Soon, it’s part of the RFK health plan

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

In several tens of thousands of years. But also, you don't get any. You're poor. Only the elite of the elite get spice.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

With my test scores, I'd probably end up being a mentat.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 23 points 12 hours ago

Sorry, resource aristocracy and religious extremism is the best I can offer.

[–] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 2 points 8 hours ago

That comes later. Be patient. The spice will flow.

[–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 40 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

AI may impress the masses, but it reminds me of a cammercial we had on Dutch tv back in 2005. It showed a person driving a car, the navigtion system said "turn right" and the person immediately turned right into the bushes [video]. We laughed at this back than, but this is literally how AI behaves now. It might be getting more suffisticated, but it still operates like this.

[–] Kirp123@lemmy.world 20 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

The worst part is not the AI, it's the people blindly following its instructions.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 15 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

yep. and the "ai creates a better ai" is a fallacy because the current ais are limited by the same things the ais they build are. everything the ais are trained on is just snapshots of human knowledge. a microscopic window of the limited reports on human experience which are themselves microscopic reports of a human's lifetime.

[–] veryblandusername@fedinsfw.app 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

That's why they want everything recorded, survailled and archived.

[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 hours ago

Except the things society would actually benefit from being recorded, surveilled, and archived, like police body cam footage.

[–] Hapankaali@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

AI can innovate, but it needs be more advanced than an LLM, which just rearranges existing knowledge. You need some kind of evolutionary loop in its programming. How it continues after that depends on the particular flavour of dystopian sci-fi.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 10 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

This is like saying tomatoes could colonize the galaxy enslaving all forms of life, if they evolved into completely different animals...

It's true, it just doesn't matter.

Anything can do everything if it becomes capable to do it.

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[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 61 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

AI didn’t decide anything. The humans failed to properly define the rules, and their translation model took the path most likely to succeed.

If it had been told not to use human created bots to win, it would probably have reverse engineered the game, found an exploit, and leveraged that instead. Because using the human interface to play/win the game is not the most efficient or dependable or easy to figure out method.

[–] Artisian@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

(Should be called 'genie' problem instead of hacking/cheating. Tis a cursed monkey's paw we've created.)

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

it's amazing to me how much this is all hal 9000 over and over again. they put something intelligent enough in an impossible position and then are aghast when it takes the shortest path to the goal - usually through people, out of it's sandbox, etc., and WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU THINK WOULD HAPPEN jfc

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 9 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

AI tends to obey its training more than its instruction set, and it's trained to solve the given problem.

[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

It's less about training and more about just trying really really hard to solve the problem, even if that means going outside typical boundaries.

We've successfully re-created the problems that Asimov talked about 50 years ago with his I, Robot short stories. Strict laws are flawed by their design, and lead to situations that require more nuance. Except, in the real world cases, it's the bots figuring that out before the humans have to circumvent the laws themselves.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 hours ago

I've always said my main takeaway from Asimov is that simple rules can generate extremely complex behaviour, and that you can't generally get a targeted complex behaviour from simple rules.

[–] vane@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Wait until it learns how to swat people.

[–] brem@lemmy.world 9 points 13 hours ago
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