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Not much they call do about it?!
How about stopping your stupid war in the middle east?
I'm not sure I've come across a more brain dead analysis.
Trump can't stop it. The Iranians control the strait; only they decide when we're done. Nothing Trump can do, even surrendering and withdrawing completely from the entire middle east, can force them to let ships through if they don't want to.
I cannot overemphasize how royally and permanently Trump fucked up by disrupting the previous status quo, where Iran still thought the US had power to enforce maritime law.
Yep. Iran has won this war for all intents and purposes.
But have you considered more tariffs?
But why would they continue if the war ended? There would be no reason to.
Money. We've shown them that they can charge for transit through the strait.
Yes, but continuing to bomb them isn't going to change that.
They can now charge for access to the strait.
The access charge would probably be less than the current cost.
Or a better way to phrase it: more oil tankers would traverse the strait if the price was known and stable, compared to the risk of attack and unknown outcome they currently face.
They have no reason to stop the ships if trump buggers off. They'll charge, but there's not a lot trump can do about that before he dies.
I don't think Trump has the ability to stop. His ego won't let him and his party won't force him. If the US surrenders (and that's exactly what it will be), the MAGA movement will die. Trump and Iran are like Putin and Ukraine right now.
Consequently, this is also why the Democrats absolutely can not force a surrender either: it will give MAGA a scapegoat. "We were winning but the leftist socialists made us surrender!" It doesn't matter that it doesn't make any sense, MAGA will accept that as absolute truth because they're a cult.
Trump is pathologically unable to make rational decisions, yes, and extraordinarily badly motivated.
You say Trump fucked up. I say Trump behaved as intended with the intended result.
You're giving him way too much credit.
I never said this was his plan. The only plans he's personally capable of are raping, stealing and ego feeding. That's his limits. But he's capable of thinking ideas are his very readily, and following plans of others.
You think Trump intended to make the GOP as unpopular as possible just before the midterm?
I think he intended to hand the oil industry a vast windfall.
Yes. Forced to say victory just around the corner.
Trump can't stop Bibi, do he can't make peace with Iran. Also he can't admit defeat.
There was no shortage of people on here telling me Biden cold stop Netanyahu with one phone call, or by just stopping arming him. Admittedly that's a huge oversimplification to the point of untruth. (Israel has weapons to last a long long time and no one really respects trump beyond lip service, least of all Netanyahu.)
But he can stand down his bombing and Iran would open the strait with charges and international oil shipments would resume.
No because the Iranian governement has demanded Israel stops attacking Lebanon.
Bibi won't and Trump can't make him, so he can't make peace with Iran.
Thats the silly part, if the US hadn't partaken in the bombing they would've been fine.
Trump can just stop bombing Iran himself. He never had to join Israel's war and he doesn't have to stay in it either. Or he can continue to get his ass handed to him, humiliating the USA further.
Yeah he can, unfortunately that are not the conditions on the table, so he won't end the war that way.
Who could've foretold he was very bad at diplomacy?
Donnie dumbass seems to think telling Ukraine and Russia how to conduct their war - and not target fuel - is the answer.
I think if the question is, "How can I shift blame for the soaring price of crude from my own disastrous war to Putin's war?", this would be a pretty textbook way to answer it.
Reduce demand- just issue an executive order requiring employers to allow work from home. 😂
A shitload of us don't have the kind of job that can be done from home. But yeah, I like the idea where it is feasible. We would still benefit since it'd mean less traffic for those of us who would still have to commute.
True but you’d get where you need to go more efficiently with less people on the road.
Yes, that's what the last sentence of my comment was saying.
The executive order would only apply to federal government workers.
Donnie dumbass went the exact wrong direction on that. Probably because a whole lot of republicons had to politicize everything about the pandemic, including working from home.
Many of them running companies acted like people were just being pussies and/or bad employees for not being resistant to foolish RTO orders. After many years of working from home put the lie to the idea that WFH couldn't work. It turns out it worked very well. But shitty managers are extreme narcissists and want to have their minions visible and subject to stupid whims that are only really possible when you are in-person. If someone recently created/leased new office space, they are all the more idiotic about it.
Oh, and then conservative idiots wanted to apply this RTO stuff to government work. Of fucking course. Sure, let's burn up more energy in useless commuting.
They can admit their artack on Iran was a dumb (low IQ?) idea and call it off?
Best they can do is brag that they destroyed the rest of the world far worse, by saying oil price and bond collapse is worse elsewhere. "Iran is certain to collapse and make an unconditional surrender any day now, after begging for a deal for the last 5 months" is their only policy.
I predict the US will declare victory and leave after the mid terms instead of holding out until 2028 innauguration. They can't do it now, because even if imminent collapse is a danger, it would be worse for the mid terms if they either followed through on MoU, or just declared victory and left today, with election focused on debate over just how victorious the retreat is, and how much Iran/China gains influence over their former client states in the Gulf.
Iraq troop withdrawals in 2 weeks can be another midterm disaster, as Iran with Iraq deal, could invade Kuwait just in time to expose Trump/US impotence for the mid terms.
I fear its going to be worse. After the midterm, Trump has nothing holding him back and a limited time before congress, with any luck, is democrat controlled. Trump will launch a ground invasion or worse nuke Iran. Things get much worse and he can point the finger at dems saying its their fault since it didnt happen until they were elected. Trump then runs for his 3rd term because who is actually gonna stop him?
I don't dismiss this fear on the basis of Trump's sanity, but I dismiss it on not achieving any victory and causing massive international blowback among allies and adversaries. A nuclear attack does not stop Iran retaliations (oil reaching $150-300 with world looking to China for answers). 100 nuclear attacks doesn't stop retaliation and causes permanent regional/global pollution. The forces that stopped him from ending civilization in April were not mid terms, and are the same after mid terms. Impotence and a global rallying cry against naziism. Losing this war and eventual liberation of Ukraine regions, was preplanned in managing rivals red lines.
It's actually very easy for Trump to declare victory and leave. "Any Dumocrat traitor that says we should have a forever war instead of this great victory, is just yet another Biden forever war stooge, that wants to destroy America with trans in women sport. Only a third term can stop their madness"
Donnie dumbass has too much narcissism to admit that he was at fault; I guess he'd have to blame Pete and/or Marco and/or Vance (yeah, yeah, Vance supposedly set up himself up as "distancing" himself from it in order to run in 2028, but seriously, in donnie's base who are they going to believe - the awkward couch-fucker and Thiel cut-out, or their golden god emperor?) and then throw them under the bus, I suppose.
Even with that, now that Iran knows they can put the squeeze on donnie, they are not likely to let donnie have low oil prices.
not much they can do about it
Ritual suicide on live TV could be a decent start.
Make it pay per view and solve the debt crisis?
Bullshit. I mean what the fuck? You start a war and they fight back.
Expectations of a Fed rate hike spiking as well.
But Trump told his man to lower them.
This is where you have to wonder what the balance is between stupidity and malice. Turkey very recently screwed over their economy and money by lowering rates in the face of inflation.
I certainly hope so. This might be the one time you see a market rally from a rate hike. Everyone just relieved that the fed hasn't been totally politicized yet.
I sure hope so.
Already baked in to market prices... It will be a serious negative shock not to increase them at the next Fed meeting.
Oh I can think of some things they can do about it
You could increase the cost more with tariffs and use the funds to subsidize public transportation and grants to open source electric cars.
There's a lot you can do to help keep oil prices high.