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He was on some broad anti-asian shit at this time in 1940. But he did come around.

Just don't look into what he did to his wife

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[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It's really fucking difficult to accept that the same guy drew both of these cartoons.

[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 4 points 4 hours ago

Yeah dude was on some bullshit.

[–] Humana@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago
[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 104 points 1 day ago (3 children)

With the excuse of helping make ends meet, Helen turned to writing for the Walt Disney Company, adapting movies into picture books and Little Golden Books. She kept her work separate from her husband’s, adopting the nom de plume H. Marion Palmer, a plausibly masculine name. Later she settled on writing under her maiden name, Helen Palmer. Given the chance to write her own books under the cover of financial necessity, she poured herself into it, publishing at least ten books in six years.6 Helen’s books were considered “successful but more or less conventional.”7

In 1948, Helen and Ted won Academy Awards for writing a documentary about pre-war Japan, but with her husband back at the drawing board, Helen gave up her own work. As E. J. Kahn Jr. explained in The New Yorker in 1960:

“Mrs. Geisel stopped writing books of her own fifteen years ago, so she could concentrate on helping her husband with his. This she does in part by keeping a vigilant critical eye on his output, in part by giving him the reassurance and praise for which he, like many another writer, has an insatiable need, and in part by shielding him from distractions.” One Suess biographer added, Ted “did not know how to make coffee, cook, or manage a checkbook.”8

As Ted approached fifty, his career finally started to take off. He earned three Caldecott honors in quick succession.9 That’s when Helen’s health failed for the first time. In 1954, she suffered sudden and near-total paralysis, affecting even her breathing. She spent months in an iron lung, viewing the world through a small glass window. Ted was frantic and doted on his wife during her long recovery. She was diagnosed with a rare auto-immune disorder, Guillian-Barré syndrome, although the paralysis could have been a complication of her childhood bout with polio.

Helen recovered but lived in constant pain thereafter. It also seems that the illness caused a fracture in the Geisels’ marriage, which gradually grew wider.

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Dr. Seuss’s many biographers give passing mention to Helen’s Beginner Books, but none of them stop to consider them as serious creative efforts by a woman in her sixties. Helen, past retirement age and never 100% well, was running one of the most successful publishing ventures in the country. She was under no obligation to write books in addition to her heavy workload, she just wanted to.

Helen’s last book, Why I Built the Boogle House, was published in 1964. This story involved constructing and photographing ever larger homes for animals, from a turtle to a horse. The book came out about the time that Ted decided he couldn’t work with Phyllis Cerf anymore. Phyllis’s husband, caught between his wife and his bestselling author, chose Dr. Seuss and fired Phyllis from Beginner Books.

Decades later, after Ted died, Phyllis explained her view of the events. “It wasn’t really Ted… It was his maleness of not wanting to be bossed by all women. He had an agent [Phyllis Jackson], he had a partner [Phyllis Cerf], he had a wife—you know, he was surrounded by women telling him what to do. And he really was the genius—none of us were. But I think that we all guided him to where he needed to go.”11

As her publishing responsibilities increased, Helen stopped writing and her health worsened. She may have been going blind.14 By 1967, her paralysis began to return.15 One of the editors at Random House assigned to Dr. Seuss described Ted and Helen’s relationship and the atmosphere in the Geisel household: “They had so much in common, but they were driving each other crazy… Helen wasn’t well, and she probably depressed Ted. She had been very, very good for him, but I could not say she was good from him at that time.”16

Ted apparently agreed with that assessment. Audrey and Grey Dimond were perhaps the Geisels’ closest friends in La Jolla, yet Mr. Geisel and Mrs. Dimond started an affair. In 1965, Ted dedicated Fox in Sox to Audrey. As a recent biographer put it, “Audrey soon replaced his relationship with Helen as his primary emotional attachment.”17

....

On Saturday, October 21, 1967, the Geisels attended a dinner party. At the end of the evening, one of the hosts hugged Helen, and she told him, “You don’t know how I needed that.” The next night, a month shy of her fortieth wedding anniversary, Helen went to her bedroom—the Geisels slept apart—and swallowed an overdose of sodium pentobarbital capsules, which had been dispensed to her in 1,000-pill bottles.

Helen’s suicide note began, “Dear Ted, What has happened to us?” She was depressed, feeling as if she were “in a spiral, going down down down, into a black hole from which there is no escape.” From every side she heard, “failure, failure, failure.”19

To me it looks like Ted had broached the idea of divorce. “I am too old,” Helen wrote, “and enmeshed in everything you do and are, that I cannot conceive of life without you.” Suicide, she concluded, would allow Ted to say that Helen “was overworked and overwrought.” He shouldn’t worry. “Your reputation with your friends and fans will not be harmed.” Helen ended her note by asking Ted to “sometimes think of the fun we had all thru the years.”20

A few months after Helen’s death, Ted sent a letter to one of the friends he and Helen met at Oxford University in 1925. He wanted to “put it out, flat on the line, without any comment or begging for understanding.” Ted wrote that he and Audrey would marry as soon as possible. She was moving to Nevada, where divorces could be obtained more quickly in 1968 than in California.

Ted then came nearer than he or Audrey did at any other time to admitting their relationship began long before Helen died. Ted wrote, “This is an inevitable, inescapable conclusion to five years of four people’s frustration.”21 Audrey later claimed that the relationship started nine months before Helen’s suicide, during a whale watching trip. “Along came this big old heave of a wave,” she said, “and I was absolutely, honestly, inadvertently thrown at Ted… He caught me and we looked at each other and the awareness was mutual.”22

To another friend, Ted offered an explanation that seemed plucked from one of Dr. Seuss’s gag cartoons from the 1930s, “My best friend is being divorced and I’m going to Reno to comfort his wife.”23

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Absolutely fucking tragic. I feel so bad for Helen

[–] Malica@lemmy.zip 34 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

How many women have propped up men to greatness, only to be cast aside like it's nothing? Fuck people like this guy, male or female.

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 10 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Look up Einstein and Lance Armstrong.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 18 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Wait, did Einstein dump Lance or was it the other way around?

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Well he already had some bad experiences with a one balled man

[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah. You already knew. I guess it's better to actually post the whole story here.

[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 52 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I think about Helen every so often when the topic comes up. It's sad to think that her talent was wasted on propping up a husband that never loved her the same way she loved him.

[–] Enekk@lemmy.world 26 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

It is easy to dislike Ted for this, but I think this sort of thing happens a lot to partners who have sick partners. It is a huge strain on the relationship and the care-taking partner can often feel like a victim. After all, nobody really checks on how the illness affects them and it can feel like they are trapped.

Consider also that it sounds very noble that she sacrificed everything for him, but was that what he wanted? A sacrifice can be selfish if not done with consent of both parties. This was especially hard for women at the time because a divorce didn't just mean the end of a relationship, it also often meant the end of their life (figuratively, but sometimes literally). Patriarchy bound women to men in a way both parties were trapped by.

Monogamy is hard, even without illness. Communication is the thing that keeps relationships going and even today people are bad at it. In the time they were alive, I don't think they even had real models for what good communication should look like. This isn't to say Ted was blameless, but I also won't say that he was a monster for this.

[–] BeerStainedBunny@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

This isn't about monogamy or how her sacrifice was noble because it wasn't. This is about Helen not getting the credit she's due or the encouragement from Ted to pursue her own passions because he clearly benefited from the sacrifice he didn't ask for.

[–] Enekk@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Sure, and I agree with that. None the less, my point is that these things are very easy to see in a black or white lens, but they are usually a lot more complicated. Ted isn't innocent here, but neither is she. They are both victims of the patriarchal society and of each other.

[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 hours ago

but neither is she.

For having an illness?

[–] stickly@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago

Surprised to see everyone dog piling on Ted in other comments. Marriages at that time weren't often based on strong footing and we'll never know exactly how they felt when they married or how their feelings changed throughout life.

[Based only off of the summary] It's easy to see Helen as a saint but it could just as easily be an unhealthy codependence. Chronic illness/pain/disability can completely erode a relationship over time. She pours more and more of herself into him without realizing (or denying) that there are aspects of a relationship that she can't give. Doesn't even have to be sexual, could be something as simple as a walk in the park or sharing a favorite meal outside her diet.

[–] Zarobi@aussie.zone 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

She gave up everything for him. Her passions, time, health, and eventually, even her life. Then he moves on immediately as if he were glad that she's finally gone. It's pretty depressing.

[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The worst part is thinking of how many women did the same thing for their husbands through history. There’s even a common saying that is seen as empowering, but I hate it with a passion: “Behind every great man is a great woman.”

[–] vinceman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

[...] behind every great man is a woman dedicated to his greatness whilst behind every great woman is a man dedicated to bringing her down.

Angela Carter

I like the addendum

[–] granch_bibblyfibble@piefed.social 7 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I hope Dolly's was an exception.

[–] 13igTyme@piefed.social 6 points 22 hours ago

From what I recall, no. I remember seeing something years ago about how some male agent or pr person in her life tried to being her down.

[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

I detect no lies.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Agree this is depressing, but the act of moving on quickly after a s/o dies doesn't always signify a lack of love for that person. It's an old fashioned notion that there's some sort of magic waiting period one must go through before moving on without being seen as callous. Losing someone can leave a really big hole in your life and people can react to this in a lot of different and desperate ways. I wouldn't continue to judge based on some construct of mandatory waiting period.
All that aside it does sound like for other reasons the doctor was pretty slimy which is a pity to hear as I liked his literature.

[–] Zarobi@aussie.zone 15 points 23 hours ago

Are you speaking generally? If so, I agree with you. However, if you read the whole story, it's pretty clear in this instance that he didn't love her by the end.

[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 day ago

I had been unaware of that facet of their relationship, I only knew about him cheating on her when she was sick. I should rewrite my post.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 7 points 20 hours ago

And it's still true today.

[–] RmDebArc_5@piefed.zip 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 day ago

I LOVE Respect the Dead! Good link

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world -3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Tankies and far right in our current settings.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 15 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Tankies are far right.

That's that original definition of Left and Right as political terms, the one Marx eventually worked from.

The Left was always pro democracy, and the Right pro monarchy.

Marx and Engels came to communism through the rise of European democracy.

Lenin came to power via coup and secret police arresting and murdering the Socialist Revolutionaries.

Tankies worship Lenin and his "vanguard parties" which are just dictatorships, a new Nobility. Leaving the workers just as oppressed as before.

Actual communism is the workers in control of the factories and economy, and the only way to manage that is via a functional democracy. Something that capitalists and fake communists fight against tooth and nail.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

Lenin came to power via coup and secret police arresting and murdering the Socialist Revolutionaries.

Not to mention the assistance of Germany in helping him return to Russia.

[–] antianarchist@sopuli.xyz 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Lol imagine being a tankie, being so far left in the mind, that you actually support right wing.

I never thought about it this way and I am glad I was able to read your elaboration. In my narrow minded head, I categorized tankies, marx, lenin, communism as left wing extremism, while it is actually the opposite.

So right wingers fighting communism is basically a right vs right situation, where both want to achieve powers in a non-democratic way? Ok my brain hurts now and I need to think about it for a while.

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 7 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

There's a reason it's usually explained entry multiple dimensions, left/right ideals and then authoritarian/libertarian (as in liberty, not the contemporary nonsense associated)

And separation of social and economic beliefs is common too.

But practically speaking, the authoritarian scale is the single most predictive belief measurement. All those authoritarian extremists share many more real beliefs with each other than with other non-authoritarian types, just with different flavors. It's where the horseshoe theory come from.