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[–] nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 61 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I know lemmy has a big hard on for anti-AI but a few things here:

  1. AI is over 60 years old and includes things like machine learning. Not all AI is generative or large language models.
  2. There is nothing fascist about running open AI (not "openAI") models on your own hardware and that's the future Cory Doctorow (mr "enshittification") makes in his latest book The Reverse-Centaurs Guide to Life After AI. Basically he theorizes when the AI bubble collapasses it will be terrible but it will shift AI into the hands of consumers and allow people to use AI to do work for them, rather than their bosses using AI to replace workers.
  3. Does using facial recognition against ICE count as fascism?

There are many legitimate criticisms against AI, especially generative models, but this ain't one

[–] 51dusty@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

one of my specific issues is use of the word intelligence. exactly 0 of the "AI" built over the previous 60 years is "endowed with the faculty of understanding or reason"... it is false advertising at best and a scam if we're being honest.

if they called it "bag of words" processing or "computer that is pretty good at guessing what your taking about" i'd be less irritated when people laud it's accomplishments.

at the core, all of these technologies are signal processing and pattern recognition, nothing more.... no matter what musk, altman and the rest say there is no intelligence in there.

[–] Fawkes@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago

This is an issue of science in general, and MANY people take issue with naming conventions, even scientists themselves. Black holes aren't black and they aren't holes. The big bang didn't explode and there probably wasn't sound. The primordial soup didn't have chicken broth.

Unfortunately, that is exceedingly unlikely to change.

[–] abfarid@startrek.website 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You are just using a very narrow definition of intelligence to mean exactly human-like intelligence. All intelligence is signal processing and pattern recognition. You can give LLM a novel task and it might complete it. Sometimes even well. Sure, you may argue it doesn't "understand" what's it's doing the way humans do (seemingly), but it's still intelligence of some kind.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Sure, you may argue it doesn't "understand" what's it's doing the way humans do (seemingly)

I think one could argue that "It doesn't actually understand what it's saying, it's just parroting its training data" also applies to a depressingly large portion of the human population.

[–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 4 points 1 week ago

As an autist, this is pretty much how I communicated with neurotypicals for most of my life. Person says something, I pull something out of my database of premade scripts and with any luck, it made sense in context. 😅😅

[–] 51dusty@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

you just gave me some new slang! Instead of using AI to describe these technologies, I will use PP, for parrot processing. 🤣

"Stochastic parrot" is the term I see most often

[–] 51dusty@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm using the definition of intelligence from a dictionary. language should be accurate. if AI folks called it "intellectual mimicry" I would have no issues.

they are attempting to bequeath an endowment based on specious reasoning and the hope to make money; not on the actual abilities of the machine.

[–] kieron115@startrek.website 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

People focus on the "intelligence" part but ignore artificial, and I think that makes a big difference. The name is pretty apt honestly. It appears to be intelligent. It outwardly simulates intelligence. But it's all man made to present that illusion - like an artificial reef.

Artificial: made, produced, or done by humans especially to seem like something natural.

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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Largely agree. AI isn't going away; the left needs to take a page out of Sanders and advocate instead for nationalizing and regulating instead.

[–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Please stop "the left need to..." it makes no sense, everyone i know, even conservatives hate AI

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

The right is too ignorant to fix anything, let alone advocate for regulation and nationalization as I stated.

[–] tyo_ukko@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Let's not confuse "the left" with whatever the current blind AI hate is.

[–] Fawkes@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 week ago

I've literally been accused of being anti-human for trying to differentiate AI from the genuine harms it is being used for. There was one post where scientists had used a specialized LLM to create novel bacteriophages, and the comments were freaking out, claiming it was super-bugs and a new bioweapon...

[–] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 week ago (8 children)

The problem is that the general public has adopted "AI" to mean the current popular machine learning thing, the general category of "generative AI", and if you want a message about it to be received broadly, you need to use terms people will understand.

In my case, I'm not aware of any GenAI models that produce useful output that I'd consider to be ethical, so I support this message.

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[–] neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People figured out how to make statistical inferences smart enough to write kinda like humans and do a bunch of other things really really well. We would ignore them at our own peril.

Accepting their output as a replacement for human art and expression is another matter entirely.

[–] Fawkes@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

Careful. If you start being too reasonable people might accuse you of using ad hominems.

[–] Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I hate clankers as much as the next person, and providing money to war profiteering should obviously be avoided with great priority...

But really? This is a wild comparison on so many levels. There are ways to use AI ethically, and there are ways to use it unethically, amd blinding yourself to that conversation is willful ignorance.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This should be obvious.

Using AI to detect cancer early? Using AI to help find new beneficial medications? Using AI to advance materials science? Great! Things like these are absolutely what we need more of.

Using AI to steal massive amounts of content made by non-consenting parties and regurgitate for AI corp profits? Using corporate algorithms to manipulate output to generate results favoring corporate billionaire owners economically and politically? Using it to make sexual photos of non-consenting women and underage girls? Using it to find ways to deny coverage, strip more money from people, wage war, attack intelligence and discourse, and remove accountability for corporate owners? Fuck that.

Guess which ones the oligarchs prefer.

[–] Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 week ago

Well said! It's almost as if the conversation is being intentionally moved to 'YES AI' (sexy future times) vs 'NO AI (Luddite, dumb, regressive) instead of what every conversation is actually about, which is that morality should never be allowed to be determined by wealth.

AI != LLM != LLM chatbots.

But in this case the use of "AI" means "LLM chatbots", nobody is really making an argument against other kinds of AI, like what is used to detect cancer (there is an argument to be made about having a black box in a medical context, but this is not the place for it).

[–] raspirate@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Honestly I'd say it's a pretty apt comparison. Pledging to defend your rights while avoiding using anything labeled "AI" because fascists use it is about as smart as pledging to defend your rights without using guns because fascists use them.

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[–] hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Absolutely. I've softened my stance a lot recently. I think local llm are fine. The data has already been crunched the books destroyed and the water used so I may as well play with one locally. If you set realistic uses as a tool its fine. Need a quick script great at that. Summarize some notes, or search through them also great. Not really into image gen or anything else but anything helping me get dumb stuff out of the way for just myself its a W. I'm not down with using it for public facing stuff.

[–] punkisundead@slrpnk.net 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fascists didnt invent AI, Gen AI or LLMs. They are just using them, selling and making money with it.

Same with cars. Fascists didnt invent the car or EVs. They are just using them, selling and making money with it.

But you wouldnt call someone out for driving with their car to a antifascist protest, would you?

[–] db2@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] punkisundead@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 week ago

I hope not, I just mentioned EVs because it makes the comparison more striking

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So no using guns either. Got it.

Sometimes I think these are righties just trying to limit the left's ability to push back.

PS the phone or pc you're using alongside the internet service in 99% of cases originates from inhumane and ostensibly fascist origins that rape the lands, use major server farms (data centers), and exploit cheap labor, and advances oligarchies. Better brick them, right..?

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

You can run you own models on your own computer using KolboldAI.

There's nothing innately fascist with GAN and Neural Network technology.

[–] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Remember that time Hitler didn't trust atomic bomb research because it was "Jew technology" that was awesome for the world.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 1 week ago

TIL that technology can have political opinions.

[–] Waffelmeister@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I don't think AI is anti-ethical or fascist per se. As many argued here, you can run it locally, you can train it on public data sets, etc.

But there is another problem that is hardly mentioned. Let's call it a culturally negative feedback loop. AI is different from any other tool because it pretends to be an universal tool. It can generate music, pictures, videos, text, code. If we as a society outsource all those skills to automatisation, there's a real danger we unlearn those skills.

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In a war where losing means living under fascism and imperialism, where we fight for freedom and our very right to exist, we need to consider every tool at our disposal—even those used by our oppressors.

When they are willing to rig elections, run disinformation campaigns, and use violence and terror tactics on their own citizens, we can't afford to quibble over which tactics make us feel good. That's what it means to fight for our lives.

[–] Beeen132@feddit.org 3 points 1 week ago

The weapon is dehumanizing others and it's a weapon that gets used pretty often here.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Aren't they taking a loss on every AI operation? Like a big loss. So use enough, especially free versions, and you will drive them to bankruptcy. Lol

[–] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 6 points 1 week ago (4 children)

They can just make more money to keep the bubble from popping. There is a limit to that but how much damage to the environment will they do before that point?

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If by make more money, you mean get more investment capital from the wealthy... they can. And those people who have their money in these companies when the bubble bursts will lose a very large portion of it.

[–] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 2 points 1 week ago

That yes but also the government will print money for a bailout like they did for the automotives and banks years ago. But they can only do that once or twice. Too big to fail is still the rule of law in american echo gnomics.

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[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you use the free versions, you are still feeding them content to train their models.

Depends on what you send as a prompt.

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[–] deft@lemmy.wtf 3 points 1 week ago

This post is a little silly. Weapons like swords, guns, etc are the original fascist weapons.

[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

It is such a liberal thing to take a byproduct of capitalist exploitation and turn it into its own political expression

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