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The Debian project is engaging in a debate and vote on whether large language model (LLM) tools may be used in the development of Debian, its distribution-specific code, and the project's website. The general resolution is currently being discussed leading into a vote on the subject.

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[–] valar@lemmy.ca 58 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

In summary,

Argument 1: LLM code is trained on stolen copyright, filled with errors, will mix up best practices, burns out our contributors, hurts the free software community, and threatens Debian's most important quality: its stability.

Argument 2: Some people find AI tools helpful.

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"just one more dpkg bro I swear we are going to get pulseaudio and systemd working this time bro just one more data lane, you have to do this or you are going to fall behind bro trust me"

I'm all for Argument 1. Also, it's been scientifically proven that any sort of extended use to AU lowers your intelligence, and that would be the last thing we need for a distro that needs to remain a bastion of Stable.

[–] frog_reborn@mstdn.social 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

@lambalicious @valar

Scientifically proven? Any sort of AI usage? Just genereal intelligence?

There are definitely some initial studies out already that point in that direction, but I think your wording is a bit overly broad and definitive. It will be a while until we understand all the factors involved and what is going on there exactly.

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 day ago

I'm not bothered that much: the results are observable empirically with how idiocracy people in general have become in the last 2 years (not that we as a species were a beacon of understanding before that).

That said, in terms of "just general intelligence?" I'd say it's two intelligences that are hit the most: emotional intelligence and logical intelligence. Not necessarily in that order.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

You forgot argument 3.

Argument 3: FUCK THIS SHIT! FUCK AI!

Hi, join us over on !FUCK_AI@lemmy.world

i swear to god fuck ai and llms can we just have one thing that's not enshittified by them

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

The choices kinda look like they would both either explicitly or in effect disallow practically all LLMs. Nice.

Though that doesn't answer the question about code analysis tools that the kernel devs recentently talked about (with Linus Torvalds being firmly in favor of using them). They aren't generative AI, but are AI nonetheless and unless Debian already talked about it elsewhere it does need explicit policy IMO.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Non-generative AI is just complicated stats.. There's no reason not to use ML or whatever if you can find a use for it (e.g. bug hunting, optimisation).

Generative AI is that plus random noise, copyright theft, environmental destruction, and fascism.. It should be off the cards for Debian

[–] supermarkus@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

The choices kinda look like they would both either explicitly or in effect disallow practically all LLMs. Nice.

From what I see so far, there is a loophole. LLMs may not be used to generate source packages but if Claude generates a script that then does the work and the script stays private and isn't official Debian software, it's fine.

This may be an oversight or deliberate. No idea.

[–] GustavoM@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Feel free to put me in a cross and burn me alive for posting this, but I don't see a single problem with AI/LLM's being used in small things like bug testing a code and/or finding out ways to improve a code.

[–] Hund@feddit.nu 1 points 1 day ago

I highly doubt that you don't know a single thing about AI, the climate crisis, the computer parts crisis, the datacenter/human health crisis and a lot of other things.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] mjr@infosec.pub 5 points 2 days ago

Some of the people who work on Debian.