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Fuck AI

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A place for all those who loathe AI to discuss things, post articles, and ridicule the AI hype. Proud supporter of working people. And proud booer of SXSW 2024.

AI, in this case, refers to LLMs, GPT technology, and anything listed as "AI" meant to increase market valuations.

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Just launched: https://noailist.org/ - support projects that don't use AI. This is a website that will be a list of projects that have specifically chosen not to use AI. Submit your project today.

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[–] derbolle@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago (2 children)

ironic that this website uses ghost, which is classified as "shitty" on the ai dirty list.

leaves a bit of a bad taste for the project

[–] stuartml@piefed.social 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Any sources could help direct the future of the project

[–] derbolle@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

could you specify what exactly you mean by that? i don't understand your reply, sorry about that

[–] stuartml@piefed.social 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

Sure, ghost may be listed as dirty on that website, but there are no links to actual evidence, despite it being listed as cited, if there are credible citations I would consider building this project away from ghost.

[–] femtek@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 2 months ago

Soooo, if there are no sources for it why is it labeled dirty? Can I just go in and label everything in existence as dirty and then it's on others to make the effort to defend it?

[–] RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

Is telling new hires they will get access to the latest AI tools acceptable as evidence? "💻 Hardware A brand new MacBook Pro + a budget for office setup and the latest AI tools."

https://careers.ghost.org/staff-product-engineer/en This is the first entry for Ghost.

[–] RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I also thought their weren't sources on that site a few days ago.

Click on "view citation" now click on the very small text up next to or just below the date. Its not very obvious.

[–] stuartml@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The view citation has no supporting evidence.

[–] RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Let's take Ghost as an example. Click on the first entry's "view citation" button. Now click on the red circle as shown in the picture.

[–] stuartml@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Thanks for taking the time to do this, why hide the source link so badly? I did read their page, and it does say the quoted text. Due to this, I will be considering moving away from using Ghost, firstly I will contact Ghost to see what their stance is.

[–] RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

No worries. Plenty of Lemmy users helped me with this a couple days ago. It felt right to pay it forward.

[–] derbolle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

sorry for not answering, I kinda forgot. good, that this has been answered nonetheless. to expand on it:

look at their github. there are clear signs, that genAI is actively used in the development process. Indicative are agents/skills and .claude directories

https://github.com/TryGhost/Ghost

[–] stuartml@piefed.social 1 points 1 month ago

No worries, thanks for the update, due to the reports of AI usage from several piefed users, and due to a lack of an official response, I have moved the entire project to a different better platform that states they are against using AI.

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[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I can't find the dirty ai list, could you please link it here?

[–] FlordaMan@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The zig language has a non-AI contribution policy: https://ziglang.org/code-of-conduct/

[–] stuartml@piefed.social 8 points 2 months ago

Thank you, I have emailed them (hopefully I have the email correct) to request permission to be included.

[–] dudesss@piefed.ca 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This website is hard to understand. I see no lists, there is a search box. I don't see categories to choose. It feels very empty.

[–] stuartml@piefed.social 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for your feedback, the reason why is because it was launched today, new categories and projects will be listed as they arrive. So yes, it is brand new.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 4 points 2 months ago

You can preload content from the other no-AI lists.

There's one on codeberg called slop free

[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Is this your project?

I recently discovered an alternative to Google Docs called Ellipsus, and their anti-AI policy is pretty inspiring. Worth looking at. Service is freemium.

[–] stuartml@piefed.social 16 points 2 months ago

Yes it is, I've emailed them asking if they would like to be included on the website. Thank you!

[–] uuj8za@piefed.social 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

... For these reasons, we will never integrate or use generative AI within Ellipsus.

https://ellipsus.com/generative-ai

[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago

Yes, that's the page I meant. My wife hates AI (trying to get her to join Lemmy and subscribe to this comm). I sent her this link.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What I really want is a no AI index for investing in companies that don’t use AI.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 3 points 2 months ago

If you find one, please let us know

[–] stuartml@piefed.social 3 points 2 months ago

Companies such as this are welcome to submit / add their info to noailist.org

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why build the website before you've got anything to put on it? This is weird. It feels like low-effort "capitalization" on the anti-AI bandwagon.

[–] stuartml@piefed.social 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I built this partly because I saw nobody else started the project. I've only recently myself decided to stop using AI, so its not some kind of capitalization. Sometimes starting a project is the hardest part. It is a brand new project, so there are hardly any listings. In order for a project like this to grow, it needs to be shared on the web, hence this posting. I'd be happy to hear anywhere else I can post it, or any feedback on how to improve the project.

[–] Zarobi@aussie.zone 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The hardest part of a new project is getting data to put on it, and make it worth using, in my experience… It's one of those catch-22 where people only use it if people already are using it. I'd recommend focusing on getting a lot of content added as quickly as possible.

I respect asking permission for companies to be listed there, but it's a very slow process, and many will never reply.

[–] stuartml@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago

I thought about adding projects without asking for permission, but it doesn't seem right, they might not agree with all the reasons why a project might not use ai listed on the website too.

[–] als@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I'm surprised that nobody has linked this here: https://codeberg.org/ethical-foss/open-slopware

It's over-eager to label as slop in places but provides sources and often AI-free alternatives.

[–] bold_omi@lemmy.today 4 points 2 months ago

I use that.

[–] stuartml@piefed.social 1 points 2 months ago

This was very very helpful, thank you, I've added all the AI-free alternatives.

[–] stuartml@piefed.social 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If you have a project, or know a project that has publicly chosen not to use AI, please share it here.
(Software, Artists, Bands, Games, Business, Organization, etc).

[–] GMac@feddit.org 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Site wants to run javascript from 5 different domains and doesnt work with just the site domain permitted.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Great extension that

[–] stuartml@piefed.social 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Thanks for the feedback, the javascript might be part of the Ghost theme. When you said "doesnt work with just the site domain permitted." - could you please explain this part for me? I might consider moving away from Ghost if it has multiple problems.

[–] GMac@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Search box on mobile browser did not trigger keyboard or any option to paste clipboard. No search possible.

[–] stuartml@piefed.social 1 points 2 months ago

Thank you, this is helpful to know.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 2 points 2 months ago

Hardened web browsers frequently block loading js files from third party domains.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What is the content of your website licensed as?

People will be much more willing to contribute if you add the licensing info in the footer.

I recommend CC BY-SA. It's what Wikipedia uses.

[–] stuartml@piefed.social 3 points 2 months ago

Ok, I will try to add that on there, thank you.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

noailogo

I wanted an AI free logo, so I hired a freelancer.

I'm 99% sure the logo they gave me was AI. It didn't even occur to me that artists would be using AI :/

[–] stuartml@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago

Let me know the specifics of your AI free logo, and I'll see what I can come up with.

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'd demand the design file they used as well.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 2 points 2 months ago

That would require me to use Illustrator. I only use inkscape

[–] RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You can get a lot of projects from https://aidirtylist.info/entities/rating-desc/1/ although I've seen some pretty bad takes. Example: people who like an anti-ai book love ai, according to the dirty list.

[–] stuartml@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago

Interesting website, I'll take a look, thanks

[–] Marija@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 months ago

Nice resource for people who want alternatives.

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