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I used Mullvad for a long time, but hearing about one of the two CEOs actively supporting and financing swedish Nazis, I'm looking to put my money elsewhere. That's the second one after Private Internet Access (who supported Gab).

I had AirVPN and Surfshark being recomnended, how do people here feel? What do you use?

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[–] lime@feddit.nu 73 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (9 children)

there was an article today about the entire mullvad company being blindsided by this and a lot of people being upset. with any luck the guy will leave or get thrown out.

also i think they're technically nazbols.

[–] fizzle@quokk.au 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 43 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Cofounder, and 50% owner. For him to get kicked out would take a lot.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

he could be a rational human about it and see that it's bad for the brand. considering he was willing to work with a guy that actively dislikes what he did he may have a few braincells left.

[–] fizzle@quokk.au 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That kinda seems unlikely to me. I'm certain that he's aware that supporting ethnic cleansing (albeit not overtly violent) is not compatible with having customers.

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[–] lime@feddit.nu 16 points 2 months ago

co-. the other founder is pretty pissed.

[–] akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 months ago (5 children)

This is the only reason for why I haven't demanded a refund of my remaining balance yet. I'm holding out for a dismissal or something.

[–] anothermember@feddit.uk 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Demanding a refund could add to the pressure though, you could always renew after he (hopefully) goes. I can't get a refund since mine has just run out but I'm not making any long-term decisions until the dust has settled.

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[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

also i think they're technically nazbols.

what's a nazbol?

[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

National Bolsheviks, in essence merging nazism with communism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevism

[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 months ago

National Bolsheviks, in essence merging nazism with communism.

Nazism+

what an awful idea

[–] FilthyHands@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Throbbing_banjo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 months ago

A Nazi, basically.

It stands for "national bolshevism," so tankies minus the leftism, which... yeah.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 14 points 2 months ago

national bolsheviks. basically ultranationalist tankies.

[–] rainwall@piefed.social 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

This is likely true, but in the hacker news thread about this, the non Nazi cofounder was pretty defensive about what a great guy he was, and that there was just no way that him being a Nazi could ever effect Mullvad itself:

Here's one example, but these linked thread has more excuses hes made:

kfreds 1 day ago | root | parent | next [–]

I'm sorry to hear that. For what it's worth I think there's nuance in his decision that most people don't see. Of course that doesn't mean I think it was the right decision to make.

Here's something worth considering: why would someone whose ideal is open borders, who has been an animal rights activist, and someone who has led Mullvad for 17 years (with the track record it has), choose to donate to this party? If you like what Daniel and I have done together over the past 17 years, and now vehemently oppose his choice to make this donation, doesn't that make you just a little bit curious?

It made me curious. It didn't change my ultimate stance, but it did temper my emotions about it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=kfreds

That level of denial feels custom made for them to give him a pass and keep him onboard.

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[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (12 children)

List of vpns not to use

NordVPN

Facebook Onavo

ExpressVPN

Private Internet Access

Everything Kape Technologies

HolaVPN

PureVPN

ZenMate

CyberGhost

[–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 2 months ago

Imagine someone unironically using Facebook's VPN service.

[–] beep@piefed.world 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't want to be mean to you, as it might be just ignorance.

But my dude, why did you decide to use Inaccessible photo instead of using text or at the very least Text +photo?

If I suffer from any condition that affect my vision or my reading /understanding... how am I supposed to read this?

[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

sorry, added the list in plaintext

[–] beep@piefed.world 11 points 2 months ago

Thank you a lot🌹.

[–] brickfrog@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You included AirVPN in that list even though they aren't mentioned in either of your screenshots.. maybe a typo? I've never heard of them being associated with Kape so am curious why you lumped them into all that.

[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 9 points 2 months ago

sorry, typo

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[–] CerineArkweaver@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I use Proton but I'm also in their ecosystem (ie, I also pay for ProtonMail and get the rest of their suite alongside it)

[–] Doug@piefed.social 31 points 2 months ago (12 children)

Wasn’t Proton’s CEO in some hot water a year or so ago, or was that a bunch of hooey? I know it’s impossible to find an ethical CEO, but just curious.

…sure I could look it up, but my phone battery sucks and it helps boost activity.

[–] ryokimball@infosec.pub 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

They made a very naive comment suggesting a authoritarian regime supports privacy

[–] deliriousdreams@fedia.io 17 points 2 months ago

And doubled down then changed their comments as if the way back machine doesn't exist in order to backtrack without having to admit they were wrong.

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[–] Console_Modder@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] UntouchedWagons@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I've been using airvpn for almost 10 years now, no complaints.

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[–] LogicOverFeelings@piefed.ca 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sharing this because I think it's funny, but someone opened an issue on Mullvad's github about the questionable donations of one of the cofounders: https://github.com/mullvad/mullvadvpn-app/issues/10685

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[–] Ice@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Being in the proton ecosystem I use their VPN, and it's been working great thus far.

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[–] puppinstuff@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

It’s like picking an airline. No matter who you choose somebody has a story of how they’re varying degrees of awful.

I’m on Proton. I disliked when that one guy made that social post comment about how Republicans are easier to deal with. I’m not offended enough to roll the dice with another provider only to later discover they’re literal nazis, their founder has Epstein connections or they discriminate against trans people.

(Which is to say, if you want to switch from Mullvad I get it.)

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[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

but hearing about one of the two CEOs actively supporting and financing swedish Nazis,

sources?

i would like to read about this

[–] akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

were these people always dipshits or do they become assholes when they make some money?

[–] akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

No idea. Although it does fit the Swedish stereotype: white, middle-class, owns some means of production, male. And, for some reason, also: Holocaust denying, racist, neo Nazi, populist, revisionist, neo liberal. [Insert "not all X are Y" argument here.]

I'm going to use up my remaining balance (<100 days) and then switch to IVPN if this guy hasn't been excommunicated yet by that time.

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[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

I’ve been a Mullvad user for probably about a year but I’m considering Nym.

Editing for further context: their board includes Chelsea Manning which bodes well, I like that they use decentralized nodes, and that all of their code is open for review. The $NYM stuff is a little weird, but to me it comes off like an attempt to decentralize currency, which can anonymize in its own way (with an asterisk). Just not sure what that landscape looks like, since a person’s identity can often be figured out by looking at the public ledger. I’m still learning about Nym though.

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago

Interesting, I have never heard of them. Honestly my first glance is I don't like their website. It looks way too investor/shill heavy which worries me about the longevity/future of the platform.

I like the concept of a decentralized system if they can promise reliability and privacy across all nodes I am concerned about how privacy will be retained when a node is established in an external country that has more restrictive government controls.

I heavy dislike the fact it auto renews. That right there is a huge red flag for me because that means whatever payment information I provided, is being stored in a way that it can be linked directly to my account. With Mullvad once the 30 day window is up, they toss the payment token so it's no longer associated/linked with the account, instead relying on you to have to provide a piece of info that they can connect to the account if you have account issues. While they can say that they don't link accounts to activity, I heavily dislike the potential that it could be done in the future, especially since they are very upfront about it being blockchain so that tells me the information is permanent/never removed.

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[–] katinahat@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I’ve been using Windscribe for 10 years and have been nothing but impressed. Always surprised they don’t get mentioned more in these posts.

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[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think people say that AirVPN is pretty goated

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[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 8 points 2 months ago

PIA is owned by Kape, which appointed someone from Project Raven as a CIO

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