Liberals are proud of it too, emailed my MP so now in their mailing list. Knowingly using the "for the kids" argument. I'm glad the CPC is not in power but man is Carney and his MPs are really brazzen.
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What's the best thing Carney has done that wasn't a CPC policy?
His international ties have been generally good. PP is too trump lite to have done any of that. Carney is a traditional conservative which is why we saw floor crossers and many conservative policies. PP is too far right for most Canadians who generally speaking are centre right/left.
PP is too far right for most Canadians who generally speaking are centre right/left.
Carney is just doing the Ratchet Effect for Canada. By governing as a conservative, Carney is getting people acclimatized to Pierre Poilievre's stances. Progressives may get the odd bone thrown to them. Come election time, Canadians are going to hear "Vote Liberal to stop the Conservatives!" and "A vote for NDP is splitting the left!" Liberals will continue to move to the right knowing that their fear mongering will keep progressives in line. Meanwhile the Overton Window will continue to move right cause the Liberals will block anything progressive to chase those sweet, sweet conservative voters who will only vote conservative anyways.
I mean that's what I'm saying. I don't regret voting Carney over PP and even NDP at the time cause frankly I did not like Jagmeet at all. But Avi is promising and well liberal support is definitely falling due to the more conservative policies. However I still do not consider Carney and PP the same type of conservatism since politics are always a spectrum.
But he's nothing like Trump. Many of his policies that were criticized for being 'Trump' have now been adopted by Carney.
Talking about his anti vax policies
https://x.com/PierrePoilievre/status/1532369916812206080?lang=en
How about his fight against "woke-ism"
https://x.com/PierrePoilievre/status/1877113935347712242?lang=en
I can go on but gas tax cuts or corporate cuts are again traditional CONSERVATIVE policies as I have said Carney is.
But Poilievre is far more right with things that no centered politician be it right or left will touch. There is a reason why you don't hear these type of things anymore now that he's not running and post trump cause that's what got him into hot water. Now acting as if his old statements and policies are no longer valid and that any conservative policies are somehow unique to him. Again there is a reason there were a decent number of floor crossers. And like wise some more liberal MPs that left the liberal party as well.
Edit wrong link
I support vaccine mandates, but the speech you linked is actually pretty good.
Sorry that's my mistake I shared the wrong link corrected (hate doing stuff on mobile), but my point being just because Carney has conservative policies does not validate PP. And I mean that speech in a vacuum and not looking at rhetoric before is fine. Trump had the EXACT stuff about affordability, tax cuts, etc and look where Trump is now, the whole "affordability is a hoax." He flips on a dime very Trump like and essentially a right populist politician. Not saying Carney is better on affordability and all but with PPs historical comments he is very Trump like.. You cannot ignore it and just act like it never happened.
Corrected link: https://x.com/PierrePoilievre/status/1877113935347712242?lang=en
Here's another one of his pre Trump thoughts
I don't have a problem with it. He values free speech a hell of a lot more than Carney and the liberals. I kind of like living in a democracy.
Do you think promoting free speech is Trumpian?
I can speak what I want and I don't see any Trump like rhetoric from Carney on democracy. But a politician speaking and promoting anti vax which has been disproven, you don't see that as an issue?
I have given pretty detailed examples and explanations, all I got were deflections. So at this point I'm done, have a nice day.
Edit also will add Trump WAS also a huge advocate for free speech, look where the US is at right now. If you don't think PP as a far right (albeit less than Trump but for a Canadian) then you are a fool. And look at measles outbreak and tell me you still think being anti vax is fine.
Well, he’s taken a stand against the POS Trump. Bachelor’s in Economics at Harvard. Master of Philosophy at Oxford. Doctor of Philosophy from Oxford.
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But what has he actually done? Other than dramatically increase our debt. Are you a fan of bill C-22?
You're a little behind on posting this. C-22 has now passed, although this is not the end of the process. It will proceed to debate in the Senate, which is where pressure now needs to be applied.
It is also important to keep hammering your MPs about this. Express your disgust. Tell them how disappointed you are in both this terrible law and this terrible process. Laws can still be changed. Even if this goes into effect as is, the government can still be convinced to back off from actually enforcing it, and it can still be modified or repealed.
Do not accept bad laws. Continue to fight them, forever. Laws can always be changed.
Where to see how our MPs voted on this?
Looks like every lib voted for it. It was on ourcommons.ca but I can't seem to find the voting record to link it.
Public debate was shut down and turned "private" so there's no public record of what anyone said.
For a bill that makes all of our communication open to them, they sure have a strange desire for privacy...
Ask them. If they refuse to answer, that's all the answer you need.
Voters need to withhold their votes from these surveillance ghouls.
What would be a good way to word an e-mail to my MP to express my disgust for this bill even making it this far?
I don't think there is a correct way. Just be honest and personal. That's going to mean a lot more than writing something that sounds like you filled in the blanks. Be polite, but be forthright. If you're angry, say that you're angry. If you're upset, say that you're upset. Don't swear at them or hurl insults, but don't hold back about your feelings. They need to know what voters think, they're not going to get that from you trying to write a cover letter.
It still needs to be given the thumbs up by the senate, with any luck the senate will send it back to the house. As much as I would like to see the US companies leave Canada forcing Canadian alternatives, but at the same time any back door for one person is a back door for everyone.
The senate voted in favour for the age verification bill s-209 after 3 readings they’re not going to oppose c-22.
There's at least 100 likes on this post. What else do you want
Thank you for sharing!
Keep hammering down the fact bills c-22 by Gary Anandasangaree and s-209 by Julie Miville-Dechêne will kill our tech sector.
Can't we just go back to BBSing? Improve the tech behind it to improve security, and problem solved. It's too complicated for the normies to use and allow further enshitification from lol
Why not add another layer of encryption and authentication on top of existing web platforms. Kind of a wireguard-per-server model that obscures all inspection by unauthenticated users?
You can't demand metadata from a service if you can't even tell it's a service.
That might work too, but making it more difficult to access would mean fewer basic users accelerating its destruction lol. Ideally we need to move tech back to the enthusiasts who actually understand and care about it
south korea now requires hosters of BBSs to purchase an NVIDIA gpu (on their own dime) on which to run a certain model to scan all uploaded images for forbidden content
Lol seems easy as fuck to obfuscate, especially when you're dealing with an old telnet style system
I ran a few different BBS’s back in the day. They were great fun.
With no serious debate, including on proposed amendments, Canada is blazing full speed ahead with Bill C-22, which would threaten encryption and increase surveillance. Also known as the Lawful Access Bill, Bill C-22 is currently moving forward quickly to a vote despite the many, many criticisms civil liberty groups and the tech industry have hurled at it.
As we’ve discussed before, Bill C-22 is dangerous on multiple levels. It pushes for requirements for metadata retention, expands information sharing with foreign governments, and establishes a mechanism that allows Canada’s Ministry of Public Safety to demand that companies create backdoors, effectively breaking encryption. That mechanism was a key facet of Part 2 in Bill C-22, and the government prevented it from being independently debated.
In a deep analysis of the bill, Citizen Lab and the Canadian Civil Liberties Association detail every one of flaws of this proposal, concluding that most elements are unsalvageable.
A wide range of tech companies agree. Signal, Apple, Google, and several VPN providers oppose the bill, and some have said they’d likely be forced to either cut Canadians off from certain features or shut down services in Canada altogether.
The Canadian government wants this dangerous, complicated, overreaching bill passed before June 19. Bill C-22 is riddled with privacy problems that affect millions of people. It should be debated and studied fully, not jammed through on an arbitrary deadline.
OpenMedia is offering a tool for Canadians to contact their elected representatives about the bill. Actions taken on OpenMedia's website are governed by OpenMedia's privacy policy, not EFF's.
C-22 is currently moving forward quickly to a vote despite the many, many criticisms
Shocked I say, Liberals proposing an unpopular bill and completely disregarding any and all criticism. All in the name of public safety.
C-22 as in catch-22?
pretty much