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Thousands of Southern Baptists overwhelmingly voted Wednesday to advance a formal ban on women pastors in the nation’s largest Protestant denomination, sending a clear message that men alone should preach to these conservative evangelical congregations.

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[–] joeljoelle@piefed.blahaj.zone 146 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It's very difficult to progress as a nation when you have millions of people who refuse to enter the 21st century.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago (25 children)

It's very hard to moderate a religion when everyone with a functional brain leaves...

Which should be obvious, everytime someone leaves a church because it's too extreme, it gets more extreme.

It's like how neoliberals coming to the Dem party made it shittier and got us modern Republicans.

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[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's hard to progress as a nation when the current admin undoes 75 years of social progress

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[–] subverted_per@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 week ago

My good them, they're trying to get us back to the 19th century.

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[–] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 120 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (40 children)

While driving one day in Toronto, I accidentally tuned the radio to a US based "Christian" radio station. It was absolutely horrifying. There was nothing about Jesus AT ALL and a lot of "armour of god" and "defend yourself against enemies of the faith" and "build the empire of God's faithful here on earth".

Batshit crazy terrorist shit.

[–] W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 1 week ago (7 children)
[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (7 children)

and yet he never once said "hey, you know what? free your fucking slaves". or "Hey, you know what? your daughters? they're people, too. Don't sell them as sex slaves." or "hey, you know what? ten year olds are too young to marry. don't be a fucking creep."

seems he has a vastly different understanding of who a "neighbor" is than I do today.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago (6 children)

This 1000%. So fucking tired of Christian apologists pretending that "no, all that bad stuff was the Old Testament, Jesus was actually pretty much a leftist".

Fuck off. He said himself that not one iota of that law will change, so the "new covenant" shit is just bullshit cope.

All he had to do was be like, "hey guys, how about we don't own people as property," but apparently that's just too much.

Instead, he'll just talk about how the rules in the OT still apply. Rules that literally include guidelines for how to properly rape and beat the shit out of your slaves.

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[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 59 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Abrahamic religions will keep women under their boot as long as they exist.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (18 children)

Basically in an Abrahamic marriage, a woman enters into a life long sex/work slavery relationship. They can't legally get out of again according to the Bible.

This is one of the reasons I have been against the principle of traditional marriage.
I am however married today, but only by secular procedure, not anything religious.

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Remember, folks, the reason the SBC split from mainline baptists was because of slavery.

The northern Baptist’s were opposed to slavery and southern baptists saw slave owners as “missionaries”. That is, people whose job is to “proselytize” the Baptist leadership at the time was dominated by the north and rejected slave owners as missionaries, and so the asshole southerners split off. Cuz they didn’t want to give up their slaves.

So fuck the SBC in particular.

[–] FrChazzz@lemmus.org 20 points 1 week ago

I mentioned above that I grew up Southern Baptist (not only as a church member, but also educated from preschool through high school at a Southern Baptist school; also attended two undergraduate schools with SBC roots) and guess what? They NEVER taught us this history. Wasn't until I started paying attention to things that I began to really wonder why the "Southern" was in our name...

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Remember also the slavers gave slaves a different Bible than the slavers had, so slaves wouldn't get ideas.

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[–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Remember, the Southern Baptists split from the mainstream Baptist Church because they supported enslavement.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

yep. it's funny the comments here being all mad. like... you want a extremist/fundamentalist sect to what... be shockingly progressive on this one issue? kind of a silly expectation.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

I’m so sick of religious people.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 week ago (10 children)

I vote to ban churches and all religious buildings.

Hell, ban religions. The world would be such a better place without the stoneage fairytales

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Lets tax churches with more than 10 million dollars in assets.

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[–] fritobugger2017@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

let's not forget that the sole reason that the Southern Baptist Convention exists is because they wanted to keep black folks out of their churches. When the big Baptist association was taking a stand on civil rights, the scum bags that would become the Southern Baptists took their ball and left.

[–] Azal@pawb.social 21 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Oh no, it was way worse than that.

The SBC existed because Triennial Convention wouldn't accept slavery. The SBC was formed to uphold slavery. They didn't apologize as a congregation for their views until 1995. 150 years is a bit late to the party but it certainly helps inform why many of us aren't surprised by this.

[–] andallthat@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I am sure they will realize they are making a mistake and apologize 150 years from now.

I firmly believe that a woman who is in her heart a deeply racist and hateful person should be allowed to become a SBC pastor.

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[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 week ago

Everyone who's been to a church knows how vitally important the speaker's pennis is to the sermon.

[–] thepig@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Women constitute 50% of the population, yet they keep voting for conservative assholes that restrict their freedoms. Honestly as a man it just doesn't make sense

[–] EvasiveSpecies@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So many pick-mes among women who vote like this. They think they are different and will be seen as "one of the good ones" with special rights to be part of the "cool kid in-group" while the other side just thinks of them as useful idiots.

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[–] rageagainstthemachine@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Recently came across articles and videos of women who are actively fighting to lose their right to vote (they only want their husbands to), so yeah, this tracks.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is why we have to control the national educational curriculum on a national basis, and not allow backwards states to destroy the lives of their citizens by keeping them ignorant, just so they can control and exploit them. If they won't properly take care of the intellectual well-being of their own citizens, then we will.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago
[–] ryper@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm surprised Southern Baptists allowed women pastors in the first place.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The sole opposition came from South Carolina pastor Doug Mize. He said the measure wasn’t necessary because the denomination already has a mechanism to expel churches with women in senior pastoral positions, and it’s done so on multiple times.

“What we have already works,” he said.

It sounds like they can be assistants, but if one gets control they kick the whole church out

[–] damnthefilibuster@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

What a fun people.

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[–] Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk 16 points 1 week ago

Trad-wives speed running to Gilead

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

What's the point of having two catholic churches? This is removing the SB's only marketing niche.

Southern Baptists:

  • full of pedophiles
  • has women pastors

Catholic Church

  • full of pedophiles
  • no women priests
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[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

My mom was telling me about how there are hardly any people left at church.

Apparently they had a split between the progressive and conservative factions of the church, and the progressives all departed.

The progressives tended to be the young families with children. The conservatives tended to be the people who will be dead soon. Like the church.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Welcome to Giliad. Blessed be the fruit, motherfuckers.

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[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The same men telling women in the SBC to get out of the pulpit are the same men telling the victims of sexual offenses in SBC churches to shut up and get over it.

While women may have held a quieter role in supporting the pedo/rapey shit that goes down in the SBC and maybe still do, the VAST list of SCB sexual offenders and their protectors is made of men, the internal hierarchy of power is rigid and unyielding, and for as much concerned pearl-clutching as SBC leaders engage in every time it hits the news, which it does frequently, they still haven't really done anything to slow it down. A couple of these articles are older, but nothing substantial has changed:

20 years, 700 victims: Southern Baptist sexual abuse spreads as leaders resist reforms -- Houston Chronicle

How an Alleged Predator Remade the Southern Baptist Convention -- Texas Monthly

New Lawsuit: Paige Patterson, former Southern Baptist leader, humiliated woman who reported rape -- Houston Chronicle

Read these at your own risk: they are thoroughly sickening. But there is a pattern: for every individual who is harmed, there appears to be a machine ready to shut them down, one that was operative as far back as the 1970s.

So knowing what I know about what goes down in the SBC and has for decades, when I see a headline like the above, "Southern Baptists vote to advance a formal ban on churches with women pastors," I don't see it as having anything primarily to do with doctrine, especially since if the doctrine were that important there would be any number of things they'd already be doing differently.

Rather, I see a group of predators seeking to ensure that their hunting grounds remain fresh, open, and uncluttered with victims they have already used and/or anyone who would speak for them or act on their behalf.

I'm not a Christian and I have no dog in this hunt, but if there was ever a religious organization that desperately needs to be stopped on its institutional slide back to the 1950s (or 1750s), the SBC would absolutely be it.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This doesnt go far enough. They need to ban women and men!

Only spiritual entities that have ascended to a higher plane and propagate through dementional shifting.

Just like in the bible.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Sure, alienate half your members, good plan.

"Say, Clem, any idea why donations are down?"

[–] NathanDerWeise@feddit.org 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Lmao they aren't alienating themself from the majority of their members at all. You know which churches have women pastors? The same ones that let queers in and talk about "accepting" people.

I grew up going to a Southern Baptist church. This decision will not be unpopular.

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[–] usernametbd@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 week ago

What do you expect from people who follow a 2,000+ year old book written by people we’d consider insane if we tried to speak with them today. It offers zero proof of its god and no one to this day has been able to bring any evidence. The bible’s been rewritten over a dozen times under the influence of kings with their own agendas. Yet somehow this work of fiction (by all applicable standards it should be) is what these people form their lives around. They magically always find a way to interpret its passages to support their own biases. Regardless of the amazing ideas philosophy and science have brought to humanity, they keep retreating to the magical thinking of the past. Of course they hate progress like women having power in their little club.

[–] Ontimp@feddit.org 12 points 1 week ago

Blessed be the fruit.

[–] FrChazzz@lemmus.org 11 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I grew up Southern Baptist, with a lean toward the even more fundamentalist side of things. I'm now Episcopalian. I remember Pastor Lynne, the first woman priest I ever had. Completely changed my perspective on this subject. It's funny, but the clergy and theologians who have been the most influential to me in recent years have largely been women: Kate Sonderegger, Catherine Pickstock, Kathy Grieb (two of those names were professors of mine in seminary). And my diocese (Hawai'i) just elected the first woman to be our bishop in our history! Saint Mary Magdalene was the first person to proclaim the resurrection of Jesus, in effect making her the first Christian evangelist. Sad that there are still so many parts of the Christian world that fail to heed what Jesus was doing.

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[–] AvocadoCumToast@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago

oppressive banjo noises

[–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago

"Boys' club votes to confirm that girls are yucky and dumb" is all I see.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Allowing bronze age discriminating principles that reflect clearly bad morals are a sin not a virtue. These principles are also illegal in most civilized countries. Allowing special pleading for religions on issues we know are morally wrong, is a crime against humanity.

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