That's crazy talk. Obviously the light from distant stars was created in transit to fool heathen astronomers, just like the fossils of prehistoric creatures were implanted on Earth, to fool paleontologists.
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No no no, fossils come from the great flood, from the Bible. At least, that's what creationists use as an argument in debates....
As for star light: yes, that's right.
Which I guess means carbon dating isn't real. Which I guess means our entire understanding of chemistry is wrong. Only possible explanation.
Ah, good to know, thank you
As a kid growing up in Texas, my Methodist church basically just squared the creation myth as metaphor. "What is the length of a day to god?" Essentially equating the scientific explanations, as simply the way god did it. So there wasn't really any controversy about learning about evolution and the age of the universe.
I was a closet atheist, but never realized there was much controversy about evolution until I was in high school and terminally online.
Yea, Catholics and Mainline Protestants like Episcopalians, Methodists, Presbyterians etc are like this. Georges Lemaître, a Catholic priest, was one of the figures responsible for the big bang theory
I grew up the same, mostly because allowing so much as not literal means and easier time for a pastor that also does car upholstery part time to sell any concept. Literalism is pretty demanding a a position.
The literalist interpretation was seen as extreme until maybe 20 years ago. I was shocked to learn about how many denominations are going in for it now. But maybe that's just the internet showing me parts of the world I hadn't seen before.
I was being fed biblical literalism over 30 years ago in the few years I was forced to go to church age 10-14. Pretty large congregation for a town of 20k with plenty of other churches.
One of the few things they got right was that small children shouldn't be baptized, that a person should decide for themselves after age 13. I decided. I decided hell no.
Yeah, sadly that same chill Methodist church I grew up in has since slipped down into that literalist BS. When the United Methodist Church changed its stance to allow LGBTQ+ membership, clergy, and marriages in 2024, they decided to split off and just be an independent Methodist church.
Methodists are pretty chill from what I've seen.
It's the same logic as God burying dinosaur bones 6000 years ago to test our faith.
One of my shining moments as an atheist was leading a coworker to realize that the above reasoning was bullshit.
She was already part way there just by asking me about it, I just answered her questions until she arrived at the right conclusion.
That claim always pissed me off. Like, what kind of god would actively attempt to trick people and be worth worshipping.
The story of Job is a great showcase of God being a cunt.
"He devil, you want to see how much I can ruin this guy's life before he hates me?"
I remember in high school when the principal came into class one day and said how that's his favorite story from the bible. That shit's fucked up
I’ve always heard it was satan who did it to trick them
Which is circular because god is omnipotent, therefore anything satan does, god has allowed.
Which is especially odd considering Satan is typically regarded as being unable to "create" things
I was homeschooled for most of K-12, and all my peers were crazy fundies. I have so many stories.
I collect that kind of stuff for fun + have some exposure to Christian education communities.
Were you doing ACE? Those workbooks should be illegal.
I did ACE. The (barely) fat kid was named Pudge. WTF. Looking back on it now, the educational parts were actually pretty good in places but everything else on top of it was pretty bad
the educational parts were actually pretty good
It’s just workbooks that you do independently and grade yourself, right? All of that seems like it’s what we’d call low “depth of knowledge.” Multiple choice questions and just memorizing facts.
Not ACE specifically. I actually hadn't heard of ACE until you mentioned it.
Most of my peers did some combination of Abeka and Saxon curricula, with a smattering of whatever TF the annual "homeschool convention" had available to sell. And yes, the "science" curriculum always had at least one chapter on how stupid "mainstream scientists" are for believing the universe is more than 6,000 years old. (And some books were nothing but that stretched to the length of a text book.) And those chapters loved to quote Ken Ham and shit. My parents were in some ways less fundie than most of my peers, and they told me to skip that chapter. Lol.
Guys... Youre trying to apply physics/logic to a supposedly all power deity. Just say the world was just created as is last Thursday or something in its current state. Like if your going to make shit up you don't have to make it so complicated. It's all BS anyway...
This is why I'm agnostic - it's basically impossible to either confirm or deny the existence of a higher power, but I don't believe in any particular gods or anything
i think i became a little stupider after reading that
I mean that or just pre-calculate it and place the light at the same time you place the stars
But precalculating is just waste of resources when you are building a pure procedural universe.
It's obviously a race condition in the simulation software. The stars database is loaded before the c constant.
This will be patched in a future update, however current simulation will need a data wipe for the updated behaviour to show.
Something about the simulation getting its CPU time shaped.
Analysis of the light from SN1987A suggests this has not happened. By observing light traversing two paths to reach earth, we can work out how far away the supernova is without relying on a particular value of c, and then work out what c must be out there.
This still makes some assumptions on the speed of light, but it would have to vary in a very specific way to give this same effect.
When you're trying to look at science but the delusion won't get out of the way.
God might have allowed literally anything.
God has allowed a questionable amount, in fact.
There are plenty of things God “might have done,” But this sort of thing is neither scientific nor scriptural.
lol such a trickster.
Further confirmation that the Christian god is actually just post-Ragnarok Loki.
I love that due to the way religious silliness works that there is no real way to refute this assertion.
In which case the distances astronomers have measured based on light travel time are insanely larger than thought and the problem of a big universe isn't solved.
God damn they've been vomiting the same bullshit for at least 50 years and it's just as dumb as it was from the get go.
Imagine all the cosmic background radiation and starlight of 4 billion years, as measured in the outer universe, landing on Earth in a time-dilated period of only 7 days. Earth would be cooked. By my calculation, the surface of the Earth would get up to 1900 Kelvin.
Everybody knows that the speed of light used to be way higher but then spacefaring civilizations brought down the local speed to prevent surprise attacks.The current c is what it is because of millennia of space war
Have there ever been any stars or planets, that we see in the night sky, just disappear? I always wondered if that has happened during the last 4,000 years or so of celestial observation. When I was a kid I was told that some stars are so far away that they were dead but the light we are receiving from them is still continuing to arrive as starlight. Have we seen that dead star light wink out? I know the universe is very old and the last 4,000 years was just a blink of an eye, but I'm curious if anyone knows if this has happened.
That's what supernova are.
Other stars like our own will eventually, in about 5 billion years, become a red giant and then a white dwarf, but will take hundreds of billions of years to cool to the point where they no longer emit light, so none of them have had enough time for that to happen yet.
Chinese were very diligent skywatchers and catalogued much history, there was record of a "guest star" supernova being witnessed before the star blinked out of existence. And recently astronomers observed a star in Andromeda collapse into a black hole.