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[–] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 107 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Footage of Vance during the negotiations:

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 117 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Star Wars Kid deserves better than to be compared to the VP

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[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 46 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This made me go look it up out of curiosity, and apparently Star Wars kid is 38, Vance is 41. Close enough.

[–] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 24 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's wild and kind of makes me want to see him do "Star Wars middle age man."

[–] Mantzy81@aussie.zone 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Dude has to get up for work tomorrow, he doesn't need the shoulder and back pain just for your entertainment.

Source: similar age, sore shoulder from randomly sleeping on it "odd"

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[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 93 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (9 children)

I totally think Star Wars could've pulled off a more political plot – I actually even think it could've been just as good for a popcorn flick as the OT and far better for the people who want deep, complex, meaningful lore while enhancing the OT. Palpatine's plan to instigate a war and play both sides, to me, is the actually perfect Palpatine backstory. Anakin's backstory in the (very) broad strokes is extremely compelling too, and Obi-Wan was overall fantastic. Problem is that George completely fucked up the writing, Anakin's character development and his relationship with Padmé, a lot of the acting, etc., and squandered so much of the potential the premise had.

This new wave of prequel apologia, that, imo, was catalyzed by the influx of memes, is pointing at criticisms of the prequels from like 15 years ago while totally ignoring the more nuanced, well-argued, and – I think – damning criticisms of the modern day. It's basically strawmanning when the criticisms are so old and so dead.

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 46 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Agree with your comment mostly, but I think the prequel apologia is catalyzed by all the kids who watched when they were less than 10 years old becoming adults a decade ago, and remembering them through the rose-tinted lens of nostalgia.

In the prequel heyday Lucasfilm absolutely deluged the world with toys and cross-marketed products, those kids were surrounded by it and of course watched the films, saw the cool parts, and didn't understand enough to see that the films were very flawed from an adult perspective.

[–] schema@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I agree, and i think it's more than just nostaliga. All the additional media/shows added so much extra context, which makes the movies seem better then they actually are, because it tends to get blended together in people's minds growing up.

Characters like Anakin or Darth Maul, who are wrtten absolutely terribly in the movies are much more liked because of shows like Clone Wars, which influenced the way people remember the movies additionally to the nostalgia.

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[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I agree that the prequels could have been great movies they just got hampered by the fact that George Lucas did not have a co-director who is allowed to tell him no

[–] FrChazzz@lemmus.org 14 points 3 weeks ago

His first wife saved Star Wars in the editing bay. He was wise to let others direct Empire and Jedi.

[–] BillyClark@piefed.social 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

One of the scenes that bothers me the most is where Anakin states that from his perspective, the Jedi are evil, and then gives zero reasons. But it would be trivial to explain himself.

The Jedi are a religious organization that wields great authoritarian political power, often unilaterally, including later as we observed, political assassinations. They're obsessed with finding people who are chosen at birth and have a policy of rejecting anyone who is too old to be fully indoctrinated.

They're basically fascists. If you ever eliminated the sith, the next thing you'd want to eliminate are the Jedi.

How much more interesting would it be if they actually presented the Jedi, including their inherent flaws?

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[–] PNW_Doug@lemmy.world 49 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

And it's like we sent Jar Jar Binks to negotiate for us.

Sigh. An administration both evil and incompetent. I swear, the U.S. has had such bad luck with its recent government you'd think we'd built the nation on an ancient Indian burial ground or something…

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago

........yeah. About that.......

[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 18 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Jar Jar is a fine diplomat in universe. JD is unironically worse than Jar Jar is in canon.

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Is JD Vance a secret Sith Lord? Stay tuned to find out!

[–] Overkrill@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 44 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Fair enough. Don’t ask me to forgive him for his dialogue, though

[–] fisch@lemmy.world 41 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

As if lines like "Open the fucking straight you crazy bastards!" are so much better.

[–] pfried@reddthat.com 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

And is Melania's patois really any less grating than Jar Jar's?

[–] FrChazzz@lemmus.org 16 points 3 weeks ago

Meesa nevah go on the LoLo Spressa, no sirree sa!

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[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 40 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, his dialogue is coarse and rough and gets everywhere

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[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

It still doesn't explain WHY the blockade was happening. The horrible forced love scenes that made no sense. "I'm a senator!" As well as rolling around a hill of flowers. Not to mention the rest of all of the prequels and dealing with medichlorions as a medical fact rather than the mythos of force sensitive beings having measured for power. I still enjoy them, no doubt. But they got issues.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The OT was also corny. People who pick apart details like this are thinking too hard.

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[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The new trilogy had similar issues. People complain about how bad the middle one was - and it was pretty bad - but at least it was setting things up for a more interesting, more complex plotline, like when the one dude was talking about how the same corporations making weapons for the rebels were also manufacturing for the Empire.

And then JJ Abrams took the reins again and... somehow... emperor palpatine returned.

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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I feel like star wars could have gone more into politics and philosophy, maybe flesh out the main story a bit more (aka not spinoff shows). They could have done so much more but of course story and consistency are clearly secondary to magic space wizards swinging around spicy glow sticks.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Then it would be more like Dune 1984. Far more political. I know you said not including spinoffs, but Andor has everything you mentioned in spades minus space wizards and glowing swords.

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[–] DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago

George Lucas had a missed opportunity to unintentionally radicalize Star Wars fans against capitalism. Seriously.

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

the blockade was the least offensive thing about TPM.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 36 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

TPM

(I thought you meant me for a second)

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 24 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If I enable you in my motherboard, Windows 11 is gonna get installed automatically 😔

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

That's a heavy burden to carry

[–] Hominine@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

You're gonna carry that weight..

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Also, the theme of unforeseen consequences of individualism and elitism have on a person is spot on for Lucas. Yeah, individualism can be good, especially as someone who came from a collectivist culture where conformity is upheld and loathed it, but I have to admit individualism killed community. It's one reason for the male loneliness epidemic, which is the low key theme of Star War prequels and how Anakin became Darth Vader. This is alongside with toxic masculinity on keeping a stiff upper lip, and not being attached to emotions including love. The blind worshipping of rationality of elites dismisses emotion, even though the latter is just as real as facts. Corruption also drives populism and the yearning for dictators.

George Lucas presented these interesting ideas and themes, but have done so in such an awkward way on the prequels. I think the amazing action scenes are what lifted and saved the prequel series rather than the heavy themes.

Edit: clarity and formatting

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[–] sveltecider@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

the prequels politics were really interesting. it was most things else about them that sucked

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

It's fascinating how they were able to blockade something in 3d space with something that looked a lot like a 2d structure. Must be some Liu Cixin kind of shit going on there.

[–] CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

I don’t think they have the concept of orbits in Star Wars. Damaged ships just happen to fall into planets all the time.

[–] renormalizer@feddit.org 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

A lot of sci-fi suffers from space ships hanging in the air in exactly the way that bricks don't. Trek does it too.

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[–] cheat700000007@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

The base idea doesn't make the writing and direction any less terrible

[–] chalupapocalypse@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

He's still on the hook for the special editions which were a worse crime than any of the prequels

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[–] DisgruntledGorillaGang@reddthat.com 12 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Politics in film can be interesting when it is executed well. The problem with the prequels wasn't necessarily the ideas, but the execution was just awful.

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[–] aviationeast@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Soon I will have a new apprentice this one far more racist and moronic!

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The theatrical 35mm scan versions of the prequels floating around on the internet are really cool if you're a fan. Not quite as polished as the 4k77 or Despecialized stuff, but still super neat to watch if you saw the prequels in theaters.

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[–] DrSleepless@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Nope, I’ll never get those 20 minutes back from the senate scene

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