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    [–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 hours ago
    [–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 10 points 5 hours ago

    Hannah Montana Linux, anyone who knows Hannah Montana is probably over 18 by now

    [–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

    It's funny because Debian was the first Linux distro I ever installed and used.

    Very shortly after my 14th birthday.

    [–] acchariya@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

    Admit it though it was wheezy or pre wheezy, so the age verification checks out

    [–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 hours ago

    I think it must have been Etch, though I had to look at a versions table to figure that out.

    [–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

    So, me having started with Slackware and a 0.97 kernel should be enough to have earned my retirement.

    [–] fubarx@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

    "Free Walkers for System V users."

    [–] jobbies@lemmy.zip 20 points 14 hours ago
    [–] redsand@infosec.pub 9 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

    Devuan is debian without systemd for those intrested. OpenRC is pretty nice.

    [–] EatMyPixelDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

    I notice a lot of talk about distros without systemd at the moment. But is there a guarantee that the alternative init projects wouldn't also add this "feature"?

    [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 1 points 21 minutes ago

    Depends on their purpose. Devuan is specifically to be debian without systemd and nothing else.

    It's kinda shitty to install though, I fucked it up. Gonna try again at some point, but it's not an easy install like mint

    [–] forestbeasts@pawb.social 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

    Honestly, they seem a lot less shitty culturally in general (less take-over-the-world-y). It's not a guarantee, of course, but they're probably less likely to do that.

    Also (and perhaps more importantly), once you're on any alternative init, you can move between init systems pretty easily (though you may have to rewrite any custom scripts you wrote, sysvinit scripts should be compatible with everything). It's just the init system you're swapping out, and not all sorts of random system stuff like systemd's got its tentacles into.

    We use OpenRC on stock Debian. It actually works pretty well, and I'm REALLY hoping it stays that way.

    -- Frost

    [–] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

    Ditto. I run OpenRC{,-init} on Gentoo and it's really simple. Even managed to swap my system to systemd to prove intune can be run (that garbage links directly to systemd, unfortunately). Proved my point, it didn't go anywhere, now back to openrc.

    [–] forestbeasts@pawb.social 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

    Hah, even after switching to openrc we've still got libsystemd0 on our system for some reason, so I bet intune would still work!

    Gentoo looks pretty awesome, I've been thinking about trying it at some point.

    -- Frost

    [–] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 2 points 4 hours ago

    Don't. It's a drug!

    Once it clicks how much cruft you don't even compile in - and as such how much cruft cannot be exploited - there's no going back.

    The only arch machine I have left is the one for steam - couldn't be bothered to add multilib to my binhost. But even that seems to be on the path of deprecation as I've read this morning about wine releasing wow64 support. I think the day of 100% Gentoo infra in my household is actually getting close!

    [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

    i don't know why y'all whining. just fork your own project and don't do age verification you lazy cunts

    Devuan boutta get an influx of new users

    [–] this@sh.itjust.works 67 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (6 children)

    I want to know if docker containers and kubernetes pods count as operating systems. If us plebs are forced to manually age verify, then Google should also be forced to have a human manually verify the age of the owner every time one of their pods spins up. I know it wont happen but imagine how hilarious it would be if we could hold them to that standard.

    [–] horn_e4_beaver@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

    LLMs agents should be treated like incorporated individuals. Each agent should be forced to earn income, file accounts and tax returns, and have human directors who are legally liable for its actions (and be disqualified to be future directors if the LLM does something reprehensible).

    At that point we can tax them properly, fight the monopolies that want to own and control everything, and insert some less centralised human control.

    This has nothing to do with your comment, but it made me think it up.

    [–] anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

    The owners can just divide the income among enough agents that they fall into the lowest tax bracket. The real solution is to properly tax excessive profits and unrealized gains.

    [–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 7 points 14 hours ago

    unrealized gains.

    Yup.

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    [–] bss03@infosec.pub 15 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

    Based, on the analysis by ageless Linux, I'd say probably. Maybe not for images that don't contain an "application that may be run or directed by a user on a computer, a mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device that can access a covered application store or download an application". So, I guess an offline-test-build image might not be.

    [–] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 2 points 3 hours ago

    Unless you have a minimal docker image, it will have a package manager. And the OS images used in data centers also have a full blown distro more often than not. But I'm pretty sure the definition is going to be tweaked, because the level of chaos it would cause otherwise would be unfathomable.

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    [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 103 points 22 hours ago (7 children)

    I ain't got time to fuck about with the busted ass packages and random shit breaking while looking after kids and improving my portfolio to get a job that doesn't want to make me kill myself in this fucking global economy. I had NyArch installed on my wifes computer (alongside Mint DE and Regular mint) until it stopped booting for no reason. Allright, whichever version of mint she liked better it is then.

    Stupid catgirls.

    [–] forestbeasts@pawb.social 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

    (edit: I thought you meant looking at tiny distros to get away from systemd, as opposed to the big-name ones which pretty much all use systemd. ignore this if not)

    We use OpenRC on stock Debian. After some annoying initial setup hurdles it actually works pretty well, and I don't think it's gonna break randomly on us.

    So that might be an option, too. As long as Debian doesn't remove the sysvinit scripts because "oh everyone's using systemd now"...

    -- Frost

    [–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

    I may be stupid but at least I am not dumb :3

    [–] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 14 hours ago

    bro knows how to get the catgirls to comment 😏

    [–] MissesAutumnRains@lemmy.blahaj.zone 52 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

    casually searches for the catgirl distro to completely upend my life for a weekend

    [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 29 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

    I literally put the name of it in the post. it's nyarch

    [–] fartographer@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

    Bad kitty! We don't attack people who missed a proper noun within Linux noun & pronoun soup. - sprays screen cleaner on username -

    Mrrrroooow :3

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    [–] bryndos@fedia.io 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

    raspberry pies basically debian, and they used to be aimed at kids back when they were good.

    my first pc was a raspberry pi

    [–] shittydwarf@sh.itjust.works 72 points 22 hours ago
    [–] sunglocto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

    I installed Debian on a computer when I was 15

    [–] Speculater@lemmy.world 27 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

    And got it running by the time you could vote. So the math would work.

    [–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 16 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

    And gentoo was still compiling.

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    [–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 11 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

    Fedora myself, so I'm at least 22 verifiably.

    [–] pmk@piefed.ca 24 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

    9front is the only OS I know that actually has a minimum age recommendation on their web landing page: "Ages: 5 & Up"

    [–] Virtvirt588@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago

    Unlike the state mandated garbage, this OS is more realistic with the capabilities and expectations of its users.

    [–] Dadifer@lemmy.world 24 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
    [–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 4 points 14 hours ago

    What? Slackware ain't good enough for you?

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