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cross-posted from: https://mander.xyz/post/46886810

The American president has invited Canada to become his country's "51st state," an idea that has infuriated most of Canada's 40 million citizens.

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Hence this suggestion: Why not expand the EU to include Canada? Is that so far-fetched an idea? In any case, Canadians have actually considered the question themselves. In February 2025, a survey conducted by Abacus Data on a sample of 1,500 people found that 44% of those polled supported the idea, compared to 34% who opposed it. Better the 28th EU country than the 51st US state!

One might object: Canada is not European, as required for EU membership by Article 49 of the EU Treaty. But what does "European" actually mean? The word cannot be understood in a strictly geographic sense, or Cyprus, closer to Asia, would not be part of the EU. So the term must be understood in a cultural sense.

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As [Canadian Prime Minister Mark] Carney said in Paris, in March: Thanks to its French and British roots, Canada is "the most European of non-European countries." He speaks from experience, having served as governor of the Bank of England (a post that is assigned based on merit, not nationality). Culturally and ideologically, Canada is close to European democracies: It shares the same belief in the welfare state, the same commitment to multilateralism and the same rejection of the death penalty or uncontrolled firearms.

Moreover, Canada is a Commonwealth monarchy that shares a king with the United Kingdom.

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Even short of a formal application, it would be wiser for Ottawa to strengthen its ties with European democracies rather than with the Chinese regime. The temptation is there: Just before heading to Davos, Carney signed an agreement with Beijing to lower tariffs on electric vehicles imported from China.

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[–] Reginald_T_Biter@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

As an Irish man I think Canadians should get grand fathered in automatically. Not the EU. But the NATO2 ELECTRIC BOOGALOO

[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 1 points 58 minutes ago

Canadian politicians make all these BULLSHIT overtures about opening up trade and building up ties to the EU.

But it's been a year, and we're still stuck with just Apple and Google for phone options, with nothing like the fairphone available.

Someone should really smack Carney upside the head on this one.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

The American president has invited Canada to become his country's "51st state,"

Not invited.

He threatened to annex Canada.

[–] WonderRin@sh.itjust.works 10 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Personally, as a European, I would be pro this happening if Canada wants to join and the EU is willing to let them join.

I get that geographically it wouldn't make much sense, but culture is also important. Geographically, Belarus for example should join the EU instead of Canada, but I think most of us can agree that Belarus should not.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Canada does share a border with Denmark, so, geographically, it's feasible.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

And another with France.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Lets give Alberta to the US and then take the rest

[–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 hours ago

No, not that meny albertens actually want the split.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The problem is the EU is still designed as an institution that's a vassal to US interests and that they are being eroded from the bottom up by far right parties financed by that same old suspects. The EU would need to start being able to throw countries like Hungary out, they would need to begin creating their own serious alternative to NATO, and they would need to put leadership over the bureaucracy from national disputes and interests to be the sort of Union that could accept Canada within it.

The problem is also that every single election year for a EU member is another chance for the foreign financed far right to have more control over their nation and the EU as an extension. There are EU countries that are pretty divided up at the moment and even with proportional representation between a right that wants easy money and has made sure to tank any government that does not have them as a majority (or at least a majority block with the far right) and a far right that is an expert at scamming and lying to potential voters within their pedoligarch fueled social network bubbles, the outlook is not good.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

We need more obvious solutions, not obvious problems. /s

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 1 points 36 seconds ago

The solution is obvious, most are hoping for it to suddenly pop into their front page.

[–] Toto@lemmy.world 83 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They aren’t comparable. One is the prospect of a forced marriage, the other is being asked to join a semi functional study group.

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 42 points 1 day ago

Forced marriage to a violent, abusive bully, vs study group with a disorganized slightly autistic nerd who's really smart. I don't want to spoil the endings, but I think we should all be able to figure out which one is going to have a positive impact on our lives and which one's going to turn us into a domestic violence statistic.

[–] leastaction@lemmy.ca 12 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Canada is an independent country, thank you.

[–] TBi@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

All European countries are still independent sovereign countries. You can leave the EU whenever you want.

[–] agingelderly@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm already jealous of Canadians, to give them passport free travel and the option to move anywhere in Europe.... fuuuuck me

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[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 44 points 1 day ago
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 13 points 22 hours ago (6 children)

I don't think Canada joining the EU is really realistic. It's not about geography, it's mostly regulation.

For example, all EU countries meet the "European standard EN 50075:1990", which is about electrical plugs. Every device in Europe is compatible with that plug, and every plug meets that standard. Even Switzerland which isn't part of the EU meets the 2-prong standard. Canada uses the NEMA 1-15 and NEMA 5-15 standards instead. And it isn't just the plugs. North America uses 120 V at 60Hz, Europe uses 230 V at 50 Hz. I really can't see a way for Canada to switch to the EU standard without a massive cost and/or a very long implementation period. And what does it gain? I much prefer europlugs and 230V appliances. My electric kettle boiled a whole lot faster in the EU, and things were retained in the socket much better than the dumb blade connectors Canada uses. But, I wouldn't want to have to pay an extra $2000 in taxes (x 40 million or whatever) just to switch to this slightly better standard.

That's just the start of it. There are different standards for roads, vehicles, health and safety, basically every aspect of life. Canada could switch to some at great expense, like changing all road signs. But, AFAIK being truly part of the EU would mean switching to all EU standards, unless special exemptions were made.

IMO, what would make more sense is just closer integration: free movement of people, free movement of goods, maybe closer collaboration on research, health and safety, etc.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 points 6 hours ago

Exemptions are made all the time.

The UK never had that, and we were in the EU for ages. We still had pints. We measured the road speed in miles.

Realistically the EU is just a collection of nations with similar socio-economic status and roughly similar culture. None of them dominate the others. Much of the rules are just common sense shit. Don't sell easily combustible clothing, etc. Odds are you meet most of it already.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 8 points 21 hours ago

Canada and the EU can agree to a gradual transition, with support and planning - EU supplying the necessary devices for replacing current ones, modest discounts for trading old vehicles for new, focusing on replacing small township infrastructure before doing the bigger cities, and so forth.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Whole countries have switched whoch side they drive on over a single night, and they needed to make sure signs and shit were adjusted. Yes, there would need to be a change, but you can either make excuses or you can make progress.

Right now, you’re making excuses.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Why would it be progress to switch to Europe's standard? What's the cut-off amount that would make switching not worth it? There has to be some number if you're being objective about it.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Number of what, dollars? Because that figure you mentioned is not something a company looking for real progress would put on its normal citizens, that’s what properly taxing the wealthy would easily cover. And you’re saying that me not having a specific number on hand is a gotcha? Really?

As for the progress, it’s not just $2,000 of taxes to get some plugs. There are a LOT of good regulations the EU has that have benefitted us without even having been in the organization and if we can further support that, both by using that standard AND removing ourselves from the market as users of the old standard, that’s a great thing.

Stop making excuses.

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[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 14 points 23 hours ago (11 children)

Meanwhile USA east and west coast are looking into joining Canada (and EU?) while Trump is looking into convincing Canada's oil producing provinces to join becoming states.

People wanted change. They're going to get it. Not the one they voted for probably.

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[–] Phineaz@feddit.org 25 points 1 day ago (17 children)

Quick fun fact: Morocco considers itself European in a geographical sense, or at least they once did and applied for membership.

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[–] Coolbeanschilly@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago (10 children)

This is an interesting prospect. I hope that it's explored further. Either that, or the CANZUK idea.

Middle Power Path.

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