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[โ€“] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 10 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, and those same companies in the US would have massive budget shortfalls should trump interfere in private business and cut them off from customers. Europe would recover and permanently move away from US services and the US would take a big economic hit.

More โ€œwinningโ€ by fucking his own country over. Maybe heโ€™ll short the stocks and make another billion on the back of the economy heโ€™s ruining.

[โ€“] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 hours ago

More โ€œwinningโ€ by fucking his own country over.

Thank God he would never do that.

SpoilerThis is so obviously satire that I didn't need this tag, right?

[โ€“] altphoto@lemmy.today 2 points 2 hours ago

Time to polish OpenOffice with a few billion in support donations?

[โ€“] muelltonne@feddit.org 29 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

They laughed at us Germans for sticking to our fax machines and now look!

[โ€“] saimen@feddit.org 16 points 8 hours ago

Probably because of SAP

[โ€“] xploit@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

The same tech companies that dragged their feet or haven't even left Russia? Those ones would give up on profitable market, risk getting assets in Netherlands and Ireland seized or whichever other jurisdictions that are overseas territories of European countries. One can only hope...

[โ€“] Gamechanger@slrpnk.net 12 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

How the fuck would you determine this?

[โ€“] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 28 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

We researched publicly listed companies for each country in Europe, then used DNS lookups to identify the mail exchange records for each companyโ€™s domain. This let us determine what company they use as their email service or email security service providers. And as email is the foundation of most business tech suites, we expect most companies that use US-based email providers also use other their services, like cloud storage, for example.

Src

[โ€“] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 11 points 7 hours ago

So this is just a Proton ad.

If US email providers were forced to stop serving European users then AWS, Microsoft, Google and so on too, which I think has a lot more impact than your mail not working.

[โ€“] SirHaxalot@nord.pub 12 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I feel itโ€™s very important to point out that specifically email is one of the most common things to outsource. Hosting your own email is simply one of the harder things to run on your own, having to deal with anti-spam measures, IP reputation tracking and the risk of other providers blocking you if one of your users are compromised and used to send spam.

My point being that yes, you are somewhat likely to use other Cloud products but itโ€™s not a good indicator for how dependent the core business is on cloud providers.

Tracking specifically email is probably the best thing if your goal is to create an infographic where the dependence numbers are as high as possible though.

[โ€“] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

This is my personal experience as well with small companies: mail servers are usually in the cloud, company servers are usually on premise, cloud backups are usually with smaller regional companies. Assuming that the mail server is indicative of every other digital activity, is a flawed methodology.

[โ€“] SirHaxalot@nord.pub 2 points 5 hours ago

Indeed and the only thing I have ever seen a larger company running is Microsoft Exchange, but MS is actively pushing to cloud here. I also know a few people who work with Exchange and they kind of hate it.

The option has the traditional open source stack I guess with Postfix, Dovecot, Spamassassin, some Webmail client, and then you have to make sure that SPF, DMARC, and DKIM signing works... It becomes a lot so I understand why none willingly wants to deal with this. That said there are some more modern alternatives like Stalwart mail server that combines the first three services into one and something I'm considering to try out.

[โ€“] Gamechanger@slrpnk.net 14 points 9 hours ago

I don't think this proofs anything. Would it be painfull?... yes... would they go dark?...no

"Who is using gmail internally?"

I am surprised that so many do not, actually.

And it would not "go dark" for more than 24 hours. It would however crash the NASDAQ pretty hard as the talking point in all EU companies as soon as email is restored would be "ok, what else do we need to bring back? Give me the list of EU and Chinese alternative to everything US we currently use."

Banking is actually probably the biggest dependency, with EU working hard at making it possible to operate in the case VISA and Mastercard stop serving local businesses, like they did to the ICC

[โ€“] runblack@feddit.org 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

What's the assumption here? If there's anything that the US tech broligarchs want and anything that the US elite has pushed for decades now it's unhindered access to markets for their digital service companies. Trump would trash decades of work invested in achieving the dominant position they have now.

So if a "Trump pulling the plug" were ever going to happen... honestly it'd be great news as this would be the final wakeup call these companies need. Nothing to be scared about.

[โ€“] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Trump would trash decades of work invested in achieving the dominant position they have now.

Gestures broadly at science, health and education...the US dollar, itself

[โ€“] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Why the FUCK would this be sorted alphabetically?

[โ€“] vodka@feddit.org 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Because it was made by advertisers for Proton.

[โ€“] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

That explains it.