People have been getting taller over time. Hawking didn't book a big enough venue.
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the reason we don't have time travelers is that the past is no more concrete than the future. [Current science disagrees with the idea that] just like there are infinite potential futures, there are an infinity of potential pasts that could have evolved into the present [instead insisting that the entire past is fully embedded in the present]. [It's not supported by any current theories that] the probability of reaching a particular past is essentially zero.
I vehemently disagree with many worlds theory. I think its a total mindfuck. However I do think that the future influences the present and the past.
Looks like somebody has read Anathem.
I love that book.
Every word Neal Stephenson ever wrote is fucking classic
Except The Big U , that was tripe
What are the chances that visiting Steven Hawking is the most interesting/fun thing you can do, if you could freely time travel? I'd much rather go look at dinosaurs, or visit the construction of the pyramids, or go listen to Martin Luther King Jr.'s speech.
Even if my goal was to meet a single scientist, I think I'd personally pick any other. Pliny the Elder, Marie Curie, Albert Einstein...
Not to be rude to Mr. Hawking (well, maybe he deserves it, I don't know what got him in to the Epstein files...), but a thorougly average party is simply not likely to attract very many time travellers.
What are the chances that visiting Steven Hawking is the most interesting/fun thing you can do, if you could freely time travel?
Not only that, apparently the machine he used to speak was rather difficult to use quickly, and drafting responses could take hours or days depending on how much needed said. Pretty much all of his appearances after he was unable to use his voice were heavily scripted ahead of time.
So unless you're visiting Steven Hawking when he still could talk, it'd be pretty boring as you couldn't have a proper back-and-forth conversation
I think his party would attract at least a few curiosity seekers.
On the other hand, it would likely include time travellers from various future eras, perhaps hundreds, or even thousands of years apart. Future time travel would have to be heavily regulated, to keep unauthorized people from screwing up the time line. So perhaps future time travellers are expressly forbidden from having contact with other time travellers, making Hawking's party the one place that time travellers are NOT allowed to visit.
Yeah, but ol epsein wasn't just a monstrous blackmailing mossad pedo rapist killer. He was into science for the mossad.
Honestly, even if time travel were theoretically possible to be invented, there's also a high chance that we're just going to destroy ourselves before we get to that point anyway.
and a mathematical inevitability that eventually we will destroy our own past that gives rise to time travel
Also, what if it uses a lot of resources and potential time travelers didn't want to waste them to go to parties (thus further progressing your hypothetical conundrum)?
You might destroy yourselves but the time traveler would be safe trust me.
I have thoughts.
It was ridiculous that Hawking thought a time traveler would make it to his party for several reasons. There are a few models of time travel, and only one of them has an internal logic that allows for traveling without paradoxical consequences; multiversal divergence.
Our version of the time traveler party was one of an infinite amount of time traveler parties that hawking hosted throughout the multiverse. A time traveler would be traveling to that time like picking a grain of sand on a beach, where each grain of sand is a near identical party to the last.
As our version of the party diverges from the realities with time travelers who chose to travel to the hawking party, there would be a diminishing set of infinities containing time travelers that were attempting the journey.
Thus while the chances of a time traveler going to the party are 100%, the party being our version of the party approach 0 infinitely fast.
Hawking knew no one was going to show up. It was done as a sort of proof against it. He just thought it was more likely then the existence of god.
it would frankly be dumb not to throw the party, because at worst you just have a bit of a weird boring party, and at best you meet some fucking time travellers
But what if the time travellers start asking for your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle?
Say, that's what he said at the party!
You're missing the point completely.
You do not actually know if "paradoxical consequences" are a thing. Logic might, like everything we believe right now, turn out not to be how the world works.
Stopping yourself from doing an experiment because "current knowledge makes it seem impossible" is how science never advances.
I have no idea what you're arguing against, or what point you think I've missed.
Have you assumed that I have discounted other models because of the model I chose for my comment? Bah! You assume too much.
I did not state that doing the experiment was a bad thing; my comment was in humor even!
Well, usually if people call something "ridiculous" they mean that it's so bad that it's funny, i.e. not worth considering.
In any case, I'm not really arguing either, you assume too much!
You can spend your entire life thinking about it and you Will never reach a definitive answer. Or, you can spend a day to set up an experiment and throw a party.
Yup
Now, I’m speaking hypothetically, legally, and for educational purposes only… you fast-forward a few decades and suddenly certain names appear in court documents and flight logs, not convictions, not proof of wrongdoing, just… associations. Enough to make a careful chrononaut say, ‘You know what? I’m not popping back in time to shake hands and eat shrimp.’
The absence at that party wasn’t evidence that time travel failed. It was evidence that it worked, and everyone who could come already knew how the story looked later.
History doesn’t just judge actions. It judges proximity. And no self-respecting time traveler shows up early to something that turns awkward in hindsight.
More pragmatically, time travel for a casual party would be risky because you’re carrying germs many generations apart. Time travelers would wear full-body suits or risk dramatically altering history. They could not drink or eat anything.
Spoiler Alert: the time travelers are the ones who took the picture of Hawking.
Is it because our solar system is hurdling through space at over 1.5 million miles per hour, so anyone who time travels will find themselves alone in an empty void?
There's no universal frame of reference. Any theoretical time travel would likely need a beacon of some sort to calibrate their arrival point, meaning you couldn't travel back beyond the point time travel was established.
You can easily cross calculate between various, inertial frames of reference. The problem is that earth isn't sitting still in an inertial frame. We spin around the sun, and we orbit the center of our galaxy. We also get nudged about by the pull of other stars.
Tracking a time jump (or technically a time-space jump) would be easy, if you just wanted to be within the solar system. With measurements the earth-moon gap would not be too hard. Hitting a surface exactly would be another story. Miss by a meter and your cut in half by a wall or floor.
There is also the idea that time machines work like telephones. You need to have a receiving end made first before you can call it.
Like that short story with the lead marble?
Or that Austin Powers movie
Listen, dude: I’ve got a lot more concerts in my list before I get to your lame-ass party.
Would you have missed Metallica in Moscow for some party you assumed nobody would attend? Fuck no.
Now if you’ll excuse me I’m gonna go sell all your grandmothers some really strong modern weed to get into Hendrix, New Year’s Eve, 1969.
Can’t wait to hear Machine Gun live.
lame-ass party
Since the time traveler would be from the future, he'd have already known that nobody went to the party.
XKCD rule: lame ass-party.
ah, the democrats
I see what you did there 🐴😂