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Didn't know where to post this but man, I so get it.
Alright, I'm getting shitloads of reports all over these comments, mostly people whining to mommy when people disagree with them hoping I'll ban whoever it is they don't like.
It seems like all the old talking points have been said and everyone's positions are as entrenched as they're going to get. I'm locking this; give it a rest, you lot.
Oh look, a post which has no informational content and who's only possible outcome is to create division amongst the civilian populations of two allied countries.
Oh look, it is posted by an account who has a perfectly normal comment history but a strange affinity for posting content which creates a comment section full of divisive conversations between:
Is this really divisive on lemmy though? Comments and votes seem to have a clear trend (from my instance's perspective).
"think about how you view other countries, for example Russia"
Okay, I do not at all in any way think about the average Russian citizen the way people on this fucking site seem to think about the average American citizen. The idea that I would demand those innocent people essentially commit suicide through armed conflict is demented, yet there's no such qualms about Americans.
All that being said though, I have to agree, going to random communities and saying you're sorry is useless. It only serves to make you feel slightly better and does nothing to actually help the situation, akin to wishing thoughts and prayers.
This is how some of you sound
I mean, cmon. Every country can become like this, no people are special. Hating people for not instantly becoming martyrs by committing terrorism in their own country is a bit dumb.
We have to nudge them a bit, fund resistances, saboteurs, maybe an outside intervention. Civilians are just civilians.
This is how we get countries cut off from the world, who become eternal reprobates, and we never have good relations with them again.
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I asbolutely do have some nuance for Russians. I am friends with many of them and realize they are powerless to topple the government because I'm not 14
I'm trans I barely get treated like a person and have my options severely limited. Don't give me that shit about how every American is responsible when we tried to tell people and got ridiculed and called slurs for it and got rape threats. Kiss my ass.
Another trans person here. Wasn't born here. Neither was my wife. I didn't ask to be brought to this country as a child. I'd love to be able to leave.
I have spent my entire adult life voting in every single election and working toward making this a more bearable place for myself and others. A minority of this country is happy with what is happening. A minority.
A larger portion of Americans are actively doing what they can to push back, but fascists have had decades to enshrine themselves into every foundation of this country. It's not a matter of protesting hard enough or voting hard enough. There is a lot of work to do and those of us who have been doing it the whole time still are.
This victim-blaming bullshit has got to stop.
Right there with you. Stay safe
No usian thinks "I'm sorry" is enough. It's just a thing to let the world know we are not all crazy. Liberals are continually in shock that the orange child is doing what he said he would do. And some things no one thought he would do. Conservatives continue getting orange dust on their lips. It's going to be a long fall for the U.S. and I'm afraid this stupid ridiculous Greenland situation will not even be in news in a few months(no matter how it turns out) as things get even stupider and more rediculous. Many more deaths in the U.S. More democratic institutions destroyed. Laws subverted in response to the backlash.
This really sucks for you. It's going to suck for everyone.
Just hoping obese shithole has a heart attack asap.
"Americans should take responsibility!" But when an American takes responsibility and apologized even though that person probably voted for someone else and is doing what they can to fight back "well fuck you".
So you want some hard pills to swallow?
If you are mad at Trump, whether you're from the US or not, but bought things from Amazon, still using Twitter, still using Facebook, still buying from Nestle, still using Uber, still using Robin Hood, or any of the who knows what companies that have given Trump money, then you're compliant. Especially if you did that before the election. You helped fund this.
You think Americans should rise up in the streets? Actually get up and do something instead of apologize online? Well you know that people can do both, right? Maybe ask people how they are getting involved instead of assuming they aren't doing anything, and get, if they aren't, that might get them off of their lazy asses.
You think we should overthrow the government? Ok, where's your military? Seems like most of the world leaders are willing to take the knee and let that lunatic run rampant because they are scared of our overblown military that, frankly, most of us don't even want, so why aren't you fighting? If your fully trained, well equipped military can't handle the US, how do you expect a bunch of civilians to be able to? Where's your help if that's so easy? Sure our country is larger than most and about a third of a continent, but if it should be easy for us then it should be cake for you!
Most of us didn't vote for the guy, and he's the least popular president in history, even lower than the second least popular president, which was Jim at his last term. "Oh but a third didn't vote at all!" But you don't know why they didn't vote. Some might've been apathetic, but some might've been in our bullshit hospitals, and some might've been turned away at the polls, or maybe it's because we're working three jobs just to keep a roof over our head and enough shit food to keep from starving, who the fuck knows. Dude lost the popular vote both times but because we've got a fucked up voting system no one will change once they have won using it, he still won.
I'm not trying to be a dick here, and I know you all are frustrated because of this nut job. We are, too. The country has been taken over by oligarchs and now you care because he's threatening to invade places with white people.
But you can't tell people to have empathy and take responsibility then talk shit about them when they do. You can't have it both ways.
You can't say that it's shitty for people to paint with broad strokes and say an entire group of people is the exact same and demonize them, then do the same for an entire population of a country.
You can't say that it's entirely on Americans when you're still giving money to people backing him and aren't fighting him either.
So maybe instead of bitching about people who feel bad about something they didn't do apologizing, figure out what you might be doing that's contributing and stop it.
Boycott the USA.
I'm also still very tired of hearing people outside the USA telling us to start spilling each other's blood willy nilly.
Fucking keyboard warriors telling us "just start a civil war, why haven't you done it already" as if grabbing a gun and executing your neighbors is the easiest thing in the world.
I'd love to go my whole life without ever having to so much as slap someone. But the rest of lemmy seems convinced that "American == gun owner" and that we should have been cutting each other down in the streets since November 2024
Well it has been what Americans have been saying for decades. We need guns to protect us from the government.
still buying from Nestle
Hey, that's our shitty company! Should still be boycotted though.
Greetings from Switzerland.
They still donated millions to the current regime. That is exactly what they mean. Trump is a symptom of western neoliberal capitalism and we are ALL at fault. Where you spend your money matters and people have, in large part, actively ignored a lot of bullshit in the name of comfort. Nestle barely scratches the surface.
Also keeping in mind with the current state of the capitalist hellscape, avoiding companies that supported trump/GOP can be difficult to impossible for a good chunk of people. If the only grocery store that you're able to get to is Walmart, I am not going to criticize you eating.
Virtually every automaker doung business in North America has kissed trump's ass at some point in the last decade.
Nestle and Unilever are fucking everywhere and also have many subsidiaries that it can be difficult to figure out if they're involved in the product you're using.
Good luck using technology produced by a company that hasn't supported him or the republican party.
With how badly things are ratfucked, I will applaud any effort to reduce consumption from these companies, because it's at least a little better than actively supporting them.
These comments from people saying that every single American is an evil monster because of their government are displaying the exact same hatred and ignorance that allows fascism to thrive. Which explains why far-right politicians have been gaining power all over the world. Watch your backs, people from other countries looking down their noses at the US - you're next if you don't do something about your problems at home, like you're saying Americans should do. You haven't been doing a very good job so far.
Americans are being killed in the street right now fighting back
Not sure what point is being made here
This is propaganda to further divide
Every single time someone online claims to be this or that identity from this or that country, they are doing it as a black man. You cannot trust claims online accounts make about their identity.
I mean there are people that would blame me for the CCP's actions just because I was born there... so... like...
lol
Now I guess I get double the blame for my family leaving China and now we have US Citizenship and voted blue every time π, even tho like its really cis-het christian rich white men that controls all the media, and with that control, they have a huge sway over any "elections", not to mention, political parties have control of how the presidential primaries are run...
But sure, blame the civillians instead of those in power...
I mean, I get it... it's frustrating times and emotions are intense, but like... really? Lol
This is what trump does. He divides. My honest reaction to reading this "man fuck this asshole". But they're right. We need to burn this system and administration to the fucking ground. Age limit on president at 60-65, no billionare presidents, put the racist fascist fucks back in their place, charge and convict every single complicit cunt in this regime. Tear down and burn every single thing trump has put in place. Nobody gives a fuck if you apologize to foreigners on trumps behalf. You wanna do something? Vote. If you live in a city where ice is present then get out there and record, take pictures, blow whistles and horns. Talk to the next Gen voters, teens and young adults, advocate and teach for what is right.
At this point i feel like my most efficient praxis would just be a guide on what to do if you think this shit is fucked
I see all your posts. And I understand that the government does not speak for yourself. I have compassion for your situation, of course. But, truly, your "I am sorry" really is useless. Please don't go thinking that your "I am sorry" message is enough. That you are doing something. That message is akin to doing nothing. Hopefully, you are doing more than that.
And also, dear Americans, whatever it is you are doing, you could be doing more.
Anybody doing anything significant shouldn't have garbage enough opsec to go posting about it online anyhow. The revolution won't be televised and all that.
Think about how you view other countries. For example, Russian opposition doesn't change what Russia does
We actually do make that distinction between the country and the people. Just like how people can support the Iranian protests but not the Iranian leadership. I agree with the general sentiment that the posts being addressed are stupid and pointless though.
We actually do make that distinction
Healthy people do, but too many do not.
y'all realize that all these posts do is echo divisional language, right?
like, it's literally saying "you're part of the problem because you live there". the same could be said about literally anything.
Denmark's ineptitude and unwillingness to fight Russia is the reason why they were allowed to invade Ukraine and they are responsible for the thousands of deaths of Ukrainians. Every citizen of Denmark has their hands stained in Ukrainian blood because of their inaction to force their government to intervene. it's your fault that Putin is brazen enough to invade sovereign nations and you only attempt to garner sympathy when the US tries to do the same to you in Greenland.
see? not even difficult to twist words around and divide us. it's all a mechanic to make us weaker, it's actually exactly what Trump is doing by pulling the US out of agreements and support systems. they want to make us all weaker by dividing us.
don't listen to users who use divisional language when it comes to world politics, it only serves to further the fascist agenda.
The entire thing is blaming the victim. As if people suffering under Trump are somehow complicit in their own suffering and they should just overthrow him violently.
It's typical armchair revolutionary nonsense, people who post this crap and want to blame everyone else, which is very easy to do in an online echochamber full of ignorant people who are just venting their angst.
A South African billionaire spent 300million to get Trump to win. An Australian media mogal has been using propaganda to brainwash Americans, and the world, for the last 30 years. All of this is being supported by a Russian dictator that has control over his puppet, not to mention his puppets in other countries.
Go on an tell me more about how this is only America fault.
Far right parties in Germany and France nearly took over their respective governments. America is just a bellwether of what is going to be commonplace in all developed liberal nations if we don't start sincerely addressing the wealth inequality.
Fascism is a natural development in liberal democracies when too much wealth is distributed to the upper class. The upper class uses their wealth as political capital to maintain the status quo that benefits them the most. To counteract leftist movements they support the far right, and before you know it there are paramilitary groups out in the streets.
This is going to happen in every country that promotes free market capitalism, starting with the countries with the least amount of social safety nets and most tax breaks for the ultra wealthy.
Meh, most of rest of the world are also supporting this regime by still trading with the US, using their services, investing in their companies, and buying their debt. None of what's happening would be possible without the world's support.
There are good people and bad people in every country. Yes, the US government is bad. Yes, the Russian government is bad. That does not mean every person in those countries are also bad.
There are people in Russia trying their best to resist Putin. People risk their lives doing that and people have died doing that.
There are also people here in the US doing their best to resist fascism. Here too, people have died doing that.
It is unreasonable to expect every American to oppose fascism, just like it is unreasonable to expect that of every Greenlander. Remember there is a small percentage of Greenlanders who do support Trump.
Opposing fascism is difficult, dangerous, and slow. It takes a long time for change to happen. Think about all the bad governments out there. I'm sure that for each one you can find resistance to them that has been around for a long time.
So if the situation was flipped, would you want us to make a post complaining about Greenlanders apologizing?
I have asked every maga I know if they are signing up for the Trump wars and sending them Army, Navy, and marine sign up paper work. Thereβs not much I can do besides vote. I keep telling everyone this. That I guarantee like I do every year. That I will vote. But that is all I can do to stop this madness. Sure I can speak out and march. But it comes down to voting this fall.
It is funny people in the US and outside of the US believe that it is a democracy and that the people have say in the government
Americans who didn't vote for Trump are about as powerless as non-Americans who also didn't vote for Trump. If you're expecting them to commit crimes, go to jail, and lose everything they care about, then why can't they expect people from other countries do the same thing? Or better yet, why don't you immigrate and help vote for change after you get your citizenship? Why don't you lobby your own leaders for tough sanctions? Vote people in who will stand up to Trump and his garbage brigade?
I didn't even ask to be born. I didn't ask to be born here. And I didn't ask for any of the stuff that's happening. So chill?
Doing what I can. There are many problems. Trying to use whatever white privilege I have to protect (literally) my neighbors from ICE - they're carrying their passports around the neighborhood on walks now, so they can't exactly go protest and tell ICE to fuck themselves. Trying to use my skills to organize, I started a network of queer men in my very Southern state so we have a place to be, to be safe, to organize. Trying to use my ability to mentor to help trans people do the same. I don't know what I'm supposed to do about Trump and Greenland. Europe you need to step it up a bit here, wringing your hands about "not wanting to escalate" with Trump is not going to save anyone. Use that trade bazooka. Use whatever you have. We are all in this, we will all suffer in what's to come.
As an Spanish citizen I understand the reaction. We had the same problem with Aznar. More than half of the people hated him (some of us still do 10 years later, me included) but he threw us into the GW2 that, as "a present" gave us the biggest terrorist attack in Spain.