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Didn't know where to post this but man, I so get it.

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[–] FabledAepitaph@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Americans who didn't vote for Trump are about as powerless as non-Americans who also didn't vote for Trump. If you're expecting them to commit crimes, go to jail, and lose everything they care about, then why can't they expect people from other countries do the same thing? Or better yet, why don't you immigrate and help vote for change after you get your citizenship? Why don't you lobby your own leaders for tough sanctions? Vote people in who will stand up to Trump and his garbage brigade?

I didn't even ask to be born. I didn't ask to be born here. And I didn't ask for any of the stuff that's happening. So chill?

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Americans are being killed and jailed daily for literally no reasons. OP doesn't realize that even pushing from within accomplishes nothing.

[–] gdog05@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Pushing from within alone does nothing. Finding a way to band together (in spite of our toxic individualism) and push back does everything. It's literally the only thing that will work. It's what we should have been doing all along. It's what a country does to right itself. And the fact that we can't seem to or up until this point, haven't felt the need to do it is why other countries are pissed.

To add insult to injury, they've had loads of 2nd amendment dudebros coming into comment threads every time they have a very rare mass shooting, or police violence, telling them they never should have given up their guns lest they become servile to a rogue government.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Wait.

Wait.

Are you telling me... that... for some kind of big change to actually happen... people would need to... work... together?

With like, some kind of plan, that... has some kind of specific goal, and a plausible way of actually achieving that goal?

No no no that can't be right.

Society is just this other thing that I am not a part of.

Society is everyone else; me? I'm different.

And plans are stupid, because I am just a powerless little smol bean, what can I do?

( /s /s /s /s /s )

(in spite of our toxic individualism)

Hm.

[–] danekrae@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

What will you say, when they come for you anyway?

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

What you're saying is simply wrong. The Americans still have plenty of opportunities to resist. You could organize a general strike and paralyze the country, for example.

Now you feel like many germans feel...

[–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We can stop complaining, we can be chill. We can vote in people who will stand up to Trump and keep him away from us. But we can only keep him away from us. It's up to the American people to keep him away from you because it's not our business to stick our nose into your business. This isn't even about us, it's about you. Instead of telling us to chill you should be asking yourself why you're so chill with it. Doing nothing is still going to lead to something and that something is only getting worse.

We don't like what your country is doing but when it eventually gets resolved and there is a world left standing our lives will be fine. You will be the ones who have to continue putting up with this shit.

[–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah, we know. And we're not chill. And we're taking action. The people who are reading this comment are not your target audience. You're preaching to the choir.

The target audience is not the activists who are already doing what we ask, yes we know, but you are missing that we are seeing a lot of posts disavowing any responsibility, which indicates a deep cultural flaw of individualism and American Exceptionalism, and yeah it bears repeating as the psychological resistance to that message is fierce.

[–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago

I don't think the person I replied to is interested in taking action, which is why I commented in the first place. People like him need to be told that there's no sitting out this one. If you do nothing then it's only going to get worse.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

sorry, do you think the russians should vote out Putin too?

[–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If they can vote him out, yes. If they can't then I think they should forcibly remove him. It's the Russian people who are suffering from his stupid war, not him.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So you basically think the russian state should collapse into revolution and anarchy?

[–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Do you think the current Russian state is the best it can be for its citizens? Or even remotely beneficial to them?

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think Putin is in power and there is no opposition to him because he has systematically destroyed it.

And he won't leave short of his own death or social collapse.

[–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago

I don't have any naivety about the state of the political landscape of Russia. Voting out Putin would be correct way to do things but more realistically he would need to be toppled for there to be change. But that's because all non-violent avenues have been cut off. I don't think waiting for his death is the answer because his death will also create a power vacuum and instability and most likely in that case he'll just be replaced by another autocrat.

Bringing that point back to America, I think there's still a chance for America to course correct without resorting to violence, but that requires the American people to start pressuring the administration right now. The more they wait the more they become like Russia, where eventually all the way to get rid of the autocrat without violence have been dismantled. And much like in Russia, waiting for Trump to die isn't going to solve anything because the Republican party will just find someone to replace him.