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    [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 hour ago

    The problem I have is that the GUI tools are very specific to distros, dms, and releases. It's a problem that arises from having so many choices.

    CLI tools work long after they're deprecated and very often cross distros.

    Something as simple as getting your IP address can be in diferent areas, the settings->network panel isn't even a safe bet. A lot of distros are now putting a network or wifi icon in your tray, but it doesn't always look the same, can be hidden, isn't in the same place.

    Ifconfig and ip work on everything and can be installed on almost, if not every, platform.

    If you do a web search for how to find your local network address in linux using the GUI, you're given a choice of a bunch of different places to look and the reccomendations don't line up word-for-word with what the current menus in KDE->settings look like. What's more interesting is when I go into kde-settings and do manages to find Wi-Fi and internet instead of network connections, it doesn't give me my ip, it's all just blank.

    [–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

    Simple things can work well in GUI.

    Now, working on a GUI that tries to expose every little features? No thank you. I would not want to develop it, and I would not want to have to use it.

    It's ok to go install a software through discover instead of using the CLI.

    [–] sik0fewl@piefed.ca 32 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

    I find it’s the GUI tools that are usually cryptic, especially when you want to do more than the most basic operations.

    [–] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

    A lot of devs don't put much work into planning the flow of their GUI from a user's perspective and it really shows.

    IMHO a UI should offer everything a user can do in a given moment, readily available, nothing hidden behind more than a single menu. If something isn't currently possible, it shouldn't be available, and if the dev chooses to make the option visible but unavailable, it should be clearly and visibly marked as something that can be available (grayed out text for example).

    I think devs tend to overestimate both the skill of the user, and the usefulness of their UI.

    [–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

    a UI should offer everything a user can do in a given moment, readily available, nothing hidden behind more than a single menu.

    That would be a nightmare for any sufficiently complex software. Can you imagine how dense the UI would need to be for something like Blender or even Excel if literally every possible option of "things available to do right now" had to be at most two clicks away?

    [–] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 37 minutes ago* (last edited 36 minutes ago)

    Bud theres obviously exceptions for massive suites like that. But I'm talking about apps with built in UIs that the dev clearly threw together as a last minute thought. Apps with every single thing you could possibly have to do either burried deep in 10k submenus, or hastily packed onto a window.

    All I'm saying is there should be a clear and obvious workflow. Devs shouldn't be afraid to say "I know better than you, do it this way". Throwing every single tool on a toolbar like with Office suites or editing suites is awful IMO. Gimme menus, but gimme menus that make sense (looking at you Microsoft)

    Anyway, you can disagree with me, and it won't ever effect you, that's the beautiful thing about the open software world. My opinions can be total shit, and you get to just ignore them πŸ₯°

    Sorry for rambling, I'm losing my mind a little bit more every day 🫑

    [–] Verat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 45 minutes ago

    For excel as an example isnt it already like that? One click to the ribbon/menu, one click to the option, and maybe a 3rd if that option had a nuance dropdown

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    [–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago

    It's unlikely I will use your "accessible" GUI tools, but I applaud you for making them, even if they're shit. It's like art, the more art there is, the better the world is, even if I personally can't appreciate some of it, I acknowledge the greatness if it's existence.

    [–] mech@feddit.org 54 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (5 children)

    "I'm having an issue with Windows"

    "Please open CMD.EXE and run sfc /scannow and DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth
    If that doesn't solve your issue, you need to reinstall Windows
    Hope that helps!

    [–] nukeforyou@lemmy.zip 21 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

    I cant think of a time that sfc scannow or dsim cleanup has ever fixed a problem

    [–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

    If you actively edit/delete some system files non-essential for boot, but that would break some integrated features, sure. But random corruption of protected system files? If that happens, you're not fixing anything without changing your storage and/or the rest of the hardware anyway.

    [–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago

    It worked for me on an issue once. Which, tbh, is worse than it never working, because it gave me hope and a reason to keep trying it in the future.

    [–] SystemL@literature.cafe 6 points 7 hours ago

    Same.

    I reinstall my windows partition every like year.

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    [–] angband@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

    You forgot to start with shutdown /g

    Hope that helps.

    [–] JargonWagon@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

    no chkdsk?

    [–] fnrir@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 7 hours ago

    I think we should just add a button on the desktop that runs both of those.

    We'll call it... "New All"?

    [–] nek0d3r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

    ffmpeg is great, and doing simple things is pretty straightforward, but if you work with a lot of media and do different kinds of operations, give Shutter Encoder a shot, it's an amazing FOSS GUI tool for ffmpeg, yt-dlp, and more!

    [–] TheOakTree@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 hour ago

    ffmpeg ❌

    ffmpreg βœ”οΈ

    [–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

    Interesting. Their website would make me run away fearing it's from a cheap fake download button scam from ten years ago, but the software itself looks pretty legit.

    [–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

    From the comments I fail to understand why it has to be one thing or the other.

    I want both. Not only that, I would love GUI tools that show the CLI commands for doing the same thing in real time, so I would learn them with examples of things I actually want to do.

    [–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

    It doesn't have to be one or the other. It's just a rhetoric that was jokingly pushed on back when communication wasn't worldwide, immediate, and lacking context. It has now been repeated ad-nauseam by people that have no idea of why it was said in the first place.

    Some GUI tools are efficient. Some CLI tools are efficient. Sometimes, both are efficient. It depends on the tool AND the task at hand. Unless you're taking internet memes at heart, then use whatever.

    Well, to be honest, I do sometimes mock (in a friendly manner) some coworker that are using GUI almost exclusively. The only reason I do that is because the exact same task could be accomplished in a fraction of the time with minimal CLI knowledge. But even then, it gets the job done.

    [–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago

    I've been saying this for a while now. A good gui doubles as documentation.

    [–] Morph9@lemmy.zip 22 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

    [–] TipsyMcGee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

    I think this is a space where the decline of online search is very apparent. This is really a challenge of finding the right information: e.g. finding the right wiki page or, more often than not, some one else explaining the practical use of what the wiki says in a way that you as a user can understand.

    [–] AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 8 hours ago

    My favorite part of Linux troubleshooting is you get to enter all these command line commands that barely make sense and in the end nothing works because they're meant for glibktw-6.32ajqx_rc4.1 but in the three weeks since that obscure forum post was made, every distro moved to glibktw-6.32ajqx_mgtk+2 and nothing works anymore.

    [–] Inucune@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

    I don't need someone else to make a gui to enter commands for me.

    [–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 hours ago

    Shoutout to qpwgraph devs

    [–] TipsyMcGee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 8 hours ago

    GrapheneOS web installer appreciation post/comment

    [–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 144 points 15 hours ago (17 children)

    You can't copy and paste into a GUI, and it's painful to help people to use them.

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