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if the entire population just acted in a way they’ve never acted before... (hexbear.net)
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Cross-posted from "if the entire population just acted in a way they’ve never acted before..." by @Wheaties@hexbear.net in !chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

furryprovocateur:

literally why is gerrymandering legal. why is america the stupid idiot country.

ndiamichelle:

This could be counterproductive if people actually vote. Everywhere. We can blame the system and politicians all we want but if people don’t get off their ass to vote correctly or just vote in general that would probably solve a good chunk of our problems.

furryprovocateur:

enthralled at the interpretation of the world you have. the best way to vote out a system that exists to suppress votes and bottleneck specific populations from being heard is to vote harder. tell me more.

toloveviceforitself:

There’s a certain kind of democrat whose whole politics is basically “if the entire population just acted in a way they’ve never acted before on a level that borders on the miraculous, we could win without changing anything else about how democrats govern or campaign!” and they think that’s not only a useful insight, but a good justification for rejecting literally any alteration of their ideology, their strategy, or even suggestions that (on the occasions they have power) they alter the rigged system that requires such miracles in the first place.

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[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 42 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Wait till you hear how different people have to act for a revolution to happen!

[–] dumnezero@piefed.social 23 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Yep. One of my ~~pet peeves~~ sources of blood pressure increase is leftists who dodge individual action, as if The Glorious Revolution will ~~manifest~~ emerge out of the world like the AI bros waiting for AGI. As if networks, movements, organizations, aren't made of people. As if extraterrestrials would drop in to do it for us. Here's a thing: people don't like organizing around and following hypocrites and selfish bastards. And being a selfish bastard also makes one vulnerable to blackmail from the rich and powerful (being compromised).

[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Okay but I'm a posadist, so I do believe literally that aliens will drop in and do it all for us.

Also, idk where you're from, but hypocrites and selfish bastards are pretty normal here. Everybody's favorite leaders.

[–] LePoisson@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Posadism is fucking wild.

Just skimming the surface of it and I'm all what the actual fuck over here. Would be cool if aliens actually did drop in and help us all out. I suspect we're just going to keep the capitalist machine churning while the world suffers and we undergo some radical changes in climate and weather as the wealth gap keeps increasing.

I mean shit my job pays me decent and I do stuff that I low-key think shouldn't even be a job, I just have to keep on the wage slave train to get what I want for my minimum standard of living and it isn't even plush.

I guess what I'm saying is it's a fucking scam and I hope the aliens come soon.

[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I like the nuclear annihilation part but not the 'aliens help rebuild utopia for survivors' part.

[–] LePoisson@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

See I like the aliens come help part and not the nuclear annihilation, mostly because that's gonna be real bad for whoever survives.

The aliens could come and grant us a post scarcity economy with replicators or something like that. I mean, we may in the next 40 years see a real paradigm shift of how we organize our society because having like 20%+ unemployment caused by automation and shifting priorities is simply not sustainable for any country. Not sure if that's what will end up happening, AI is not a magic panacea that it's pandered as by tech bros, but I do think there's a strong potential for it to replace a lot of the bullshit jobs that we have that kind of just exist because of the bureaucracy of corporate America and compliance regulations and such.

Anyways, I also doubt aliens would even visit here. We're so violent as a species and have lots of things that go boom, there's probably way better planets to visit than Earth in our galaxy. I know I'd stick a quarantine zone around our solar system and go on with life if I were an alien overlord.

[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

That seems really unimaginative.

[–] dumnezero@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I mean for a revolution, not for being stronger assholes. Leaders in movements against capitalism and conservatism (hierarchy).

[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago

Yes that's what I meant.

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 3 days ago

Whether reform or revolution, nothing will happen without a great deal of organizing and leadership.

So, uh, those of us who are more aware of these realities should probably go get involved with something irl.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not to defend the "vote harder" logic, but gerrymandering to get more seats does make those seats more vulnerable. If you narrow the margins to get more seats, the margins are easier to overcome.

But politicians need to speak to their constituents needs in order for that to matter, and Ds are more interested in big donor checks than the rabble.

[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

A potential strategy could be attacking Democrat seats. If a pressure group can show that they can oust a Democrat, they should be able to use that threat to influence others.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

i mean yes, but also the usa has insanely low voter participation.

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago (3 children)

It's so weird, because voting is patriotic and US Americans are super hyped on patriotism, but then they somehow don't vote. I don't get it.

[–] TheOneCurly@feddit.online 31 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Voting is generally accepted as "good" but zero practical allowances are actually afforded for it. You still have to get to work on time, kids are still going to school, all the normal things that overworked wage slaves deal with every day but now there's one extra thing that involves waiting in line for an hour they don't have. The OP is right, the deck is stacked against people actually participating and it's not all their fault.

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

oh, i see. in my region almost all voting traditionally happens on sundays. ppl just swing by the voting booths between church and bbq or whatever they do on sundays.

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 16 points 3 days ago

Voting is on Tuesdays in the US. Your employer is not required to give you paid time off to go and vote. Some places have mail on voting or early voting at the election board, but that depends on your state. It's very telling that even the most "Vote!" liberals are not advocating for making election day a federal holiday with guaranteed paid time off for voting.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

In the US, many people are forced to work on Sundays to provide services to all the people who get the weekend off.

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

so are in my region, but the voting booths are open about 10h and are in range of like 10m by foot from everyones home. so ppl should be able to reach them before or after work.

[–] sharkteethsandwich@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 3 days ago

I've talked to a lot of different people about this. People in different states, ages, professions, etc. Pretty much the main thing that keeps people from voting is that no one feels represented by either party. And for some people, they haven't felt represented their whole lives.

Also the whole voting is patriotic thing is kind of bullshit at this point. No one that I know personally thinks of voting as a super important thing that everyone should be proud of. That's just a media thing.

[–] shiftymccool@piefed.ca 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You see a small, loud subset of USAmericans on the web so I understand how you could think that we're all "super hyped on patriotism" but the fact is that most of us just wake up, do normal human things then go to bed. This over-generalization of huge populations of people is making me tired.

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago

I also see USAmericans on TV/news etc., but that probably doesn't help, because the hyped ppl are often near the center of attention, eg. at sports events or rallies.

[–] deltaspawn0040@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Cool, but... What do we do? What's an alternative solution?

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Anarchism. Direct action for mutual aid.

[–] deltaspawn0040@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

Of course there's a ready-made, detailed FAQ list for anyone who asks that question. I don't know why I didn't expect that.

I can't promise I'll read all of that, but then again if I can't read up on something then maybe I should stop publically calling things into question. Thank you for taking the effort to provide this information.

[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago

'A certain kind'?

[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Did db0 defederate from hexbear or vice versa? None of their posts show up in my feed anymore and I can’t see any of the linked communities or comments from this post

[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

sounds like an upgrade to me ngl

[–] TheOneCurly@feddit.online 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Unless one of them is doing it in some way that bypasses the built-in lemmy instance block it looks like a you problem, they appear in each others' linked instances lists.

[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

Since posting this comments now appear but communities still don’t show in feed and manually browsing they show as empty

Very well could be on my end but I don’t know what. I don’t have anything blocked or whatever. Weird

[–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

No, though I can't either from anarchist.nexus, might be some federation shenanigans.

Edit: I can see comments though, just not seeing communities at the moment.

[–] tlmcleod@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago

Dunno, I can see hexbear comments and posts