Is there even such a thing as a "dose" for something that isn't a medication? She got sick eating way too much of a curry ingredient lol. I imagine people have had similar experiences with ghost peppers.
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It looks like there are a few papers linking curcumin (a compound in turmeric) and black pepper to some health benefits relating to neurological diseases like alzheimers, but I don't think anything's been definitively proven yet.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0944711318302022
My chemistry phd friend often says "The poison is in the dosage". For example you can overdose on water or other necessary substances.
Ahh my old science teacher (from Iowa, living in Australia) had a newspaper article from when he was attending university. A student had passed away after drinking I can't remember how many water shots, one including a goldfish. Decent teaching method in my eyes bringing real life consequences to stupid actions.
The same teacher, post exams would bring in a huge bag of popcorn and show us slides from his personal life. Was pressy interesting seeing snippets of his life. Up until we got a full crowning shot of his wife with their firstborn.
School was strange.
Yep, water intoxication is indeed a thing. I first learned about it in a story about a clinic in England that had to install chemical toilets in a facility for treating people with water intoxication addiction issues.
Oat bran: The Silent Killer
I suspect an oat bran OD would far from silent. :)
Can't wait for the chubbyemu video to explain the science of what happens here
He's probably in the emergency room now, writing down all that is happening. "Hyperturmeremia - hyper- for high, turmer for turmeric, and -emia for presence in blood."
This is what happens when people canβt get the healthcare that they need, and when Congress deregulates supplements.
And we have βwellnessβ influencers convincing you all you need is random supplements and to eat healthy and βbrain retrainingβ and youβll feel great TM.
i dont think thats the only reason, some people believe in pseudoscience more readily than actual medicine. supplements have always been unregulated for decades.
Please don't dismiss supplement users as pseudoscience fanatics.
You have no idea what it's like to live with a chronic illness, with no cure, and no treatment to eliminate the pain and suffering.
People like you harbor misconceptions about modern medicine as an infallible cure-all that isn't riddled with systemic neglect for women, PoC, the uninsured, and chronically ill people.
I take 8 supplements and 7 prescription medications a day. It fucking sucks to have to down 15 pills at night and another 7 in the morning. The only reason why I do is because those supplements are one of very few things that give a modicum of relief to the unending nightmare of pain.
And please don't start with the 'well ahktually studies shows that it doesn't work and it's just placebo.' Please don't decide for us how our own body feels. You cannot disprove our own symptoms to us, not especially when modern medicine has neglected chronic and autoimmune conditions for so long. Because these conditions primarily affect women, and women have not been treated as reliable witnesses to their own bodies, many chronic illnesses haven't even been accepted as 'real' conditions until the last few decades.
So please stop with the psuedoscience accusations. Doctors and researchers have no fucks to give about chronically ill patients, and we are left to trial and error every over the counter supplement we can do we don't kill ourselves from going insane with untreated pain and suffering.
Pseudoscience is correct, as they are replicating the look of something scientific without the substance.
Feel free to try whatever you think helps you. Don't complain when people correctly point out that there is no evidence to suggest it will, or that it's even safe for you.
Damn you really felt called out, huh?
If you're not disabled or chronically ill, please sit down and listen to people who are. Lack of 'medical evidence' does not constitute a lack of medical effectiveness. The same way that a lack of diagnosis due to medical neglect does not constitute a lack of symptoms.
THC and CBD has always been used by chronically ill people, who were dismissed as drug addicts for using 'medically unsubstantiated' herbs to treat their pain. Just because research on marijuana is finally being conducted in recent times and it is being validated as a form of treatment, it doesn't mean that it only suddenly became effective. It always has been. The only thing that has changed is public perception of it.
It's easy for able bodied people to point at chronically ill people and claim that everything they do is a hoax or just placebo when they know nothing about how chronic illness works. Listen to them, and treat them as reliable witnesses to their own body.
A medical paper doesn't dictate the reality of how supplement affects each patient individually. Every person's biochemistry is unique. It's especially problematic when modern medicine is rife with systemic bias against certain groups of people. Ask doctors over the age of 60 and ask doctors who recently graduated if they think fibromyalgia is a real disease. It's disgusting how older doctors don't even think it's a real condition and that patients are just 'faking it'.
People wouldn't believe in pseudoscience so much if they could just go to the hospital without hesitation or worry about the costs.
In Germany this isn't true. The pseudoscience is thriving and in part supplemented by public health care. Homeopathy was a part of the anti-science campaign of the nazis and is still practised.
You can probably check this by looking at how often this kind of thing happens in:
a) Countries with a normal free-to-use national health system
b) America
As someone that has lived in both, I am sad to report that there isn't much difference.
Or they think that something you use by the teaspoon in cooking is inherently safe when used daily.
To add another layer to that, even if you believe in pseudoscience you should also have the basic understanding that absolutely anything and everything can be harmful if you exceed the appropriate dose. I can't understand why most people don't understand this
But you are still using "logic" there, while she was using "trust", in the perceived authority source of a combination of "doctor" + "government" (they wouldn't allow selling of something that could be dangerous).
People can die of drinking too much water, I see your point but I die on my hill
As too did she.
Misinformation is dangerous. Disinformation even more so.
Capitalism sometimes kill, literally.
daily megadoses [...] Mohan was taking more than 10 times that
that's a decadose at best
Also microdoses are usually decidoses, but that's irrelevant because in this use mega means large and micro means small. Microcar. Microcomputer.
But what size are microplastics when also mentioning nanoplastics? Are they still "5mm and smaller"?
all very valid questions! also kilograms but never mega- or gigagrams?
I have to have taken that dose in the form of curry before
Oh yeah, it's basically a big teaspoon. Which isn't uncommon in a recipe of turmeric curry for two.
The issue here is that she took it straight in capsule form, every day, for several weeks.
she had seen a doctor on Instagram suggesting it
Yeah.
Stop following Dr Oz, he's a quack!
In my bathroom cabinet I have 6250mg tumeric gummies, which I take in the morning with my multivitamin for inflammation. I bought this well known brand (Jamieson) from a reputable source.
Am I not supposed to be able to trust that a basic suppliment from Shoppers is safe? This isn't "magic sleep improvement concoction" or some underground fad wellness brand selling mushroom infusions.... This is a large and old company that makes half the shit in my cabinet....
NO, you cannot, because they are NOT regulated in any way. 'Supplements' are not FDA approved. They are not tested to ensure safety. They basically do whatever they want until someone else proves it's unsafe.
googling for 3 seconds I found that Jamieson Tumeric Gummies only have 250mg Tumeric per Gummy, which is apparently equivalent to 6250mg of dried Tumeric. That is basically the recommended maximum daily dosage.
In general, no you can't trust 'basic' supplements, since they are poorly regulated. I'd also recommend getting supplements only for things that you actually need supplemented, i.e. a blood test shows you are deficient.
https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1143270524?ft=nprml&%3Bf=1143270524
Thank you for doing that. I found this out first thing in the morning and am now on my first work break, I hope I would have figured this out eventually but it was bothering me already today. My workmate had the rational thought "it's got to be a factor of 10 difference or something, you should reread the label when you get home."
But again, thanks, now I have a little peace in my head until I can do some more research. I poison my liver with alcohol. I don't need extra help....
As for why I take it, I was instructed to by my family doctor as well as my (far more trusted and who I've known far longer) Massage therapist, who explicitly said "I can't legally tell you to take supplements because laws and such, but go ask your doctor about x,y,z." Which I did.
Massage therapists aren't licensed. Do not take medical advice from them. They know exactly as much about medicine as your plumber.
Massage therapists are fully licenced where I live (Canada) They are not, however, licenced to give advice about supplements. Which is why she told me to go to my doctor. But since she went to school for years and takes annual courses to keep up to date on human bodies and how they function, and she spends every day of her life literally hands on hundreds of different human bodies for the past 25 years so far, I'd say she has a much better grasp on how supplements affect people than my plumber, if I had a plumber.
So you're saying I shouldn't take one of those supplements then go have a curry?
As a random internet person who knows not much about anything, you should definitely take them.
The Instagram Doctor didn't bother to read the Wikipedia article on tumeric. I did yesterday because my mom has been taking it and heard about this.
It's not an anti-inflammatory and is a mild allergen. Some folks have immune systems that don't like it in other words. And liver failure is what happens to those folks when they take to many tumeric supplements.
Did she get it from onnit?