Every year they try to push this same shit with a new name. One day there will be a reichstag fire and it will be passed.
So fucking transparant, yet I don't see a way to stop them.
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The rough quote is, we have to win against this every time. They only have to win once.
Pretty straightforward: join anarchist groups like the ccc and the fau, vote radical left and tell everyone you know to do the exact same. It already helps in some areas, just keep doing it.
And how do you ensure that the "radical left" doesn't support surveillance measures? Not like the ideology has a good track record on that matter.
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I didn't know about those groups, thanks for bringing light to it although I'd be wary of voting radical left unless the alternative is only a right-winger
"Wary" of radical left why exactly?
Radical right and radical left. You should be wary of both of them because they are radical.
- Radical plans often need to be enforced to be accepted
- Enforcing political will is authoritarian.
- I'm anti-authoritarian above everything else.
Ah, a "centrist". So how much killing of people is central enough for you? How much genocide?
The idea of "radical = bad" is a trick. It's got zero to do with reality.
Example: depending on where you ask, radical means entirely different things. Read about the overtone window.
That said, radical leftism is about human rights. It is about destroying hierarchies between people. In short it means: everyone gets what they need and does what they can. Or "food, water, housing are inalienable rights."
The radical right is about superiorism. White power, discrimination and ultimately destruction of what they view as "lesser" be it people who look different, have different ancestral history etc.
And you think its smart to compromise between the two? I suggest reading books.
So how much killing of people is central enough for you? How much genocide?
Very non-radical actions you asking me to support.
From all of that I get that you're someone who thinks it's left Vs right. Two positions, Two ends of a line. If you're not at one end, you're at the other and what lies in-between (if anything) is grey, cowardly, compromising, compliant lemmings.
..and you're telling me to read books? This is the most juvenile and laziest of political thinking. You need to grow beyond thinking anyone that doesn't agree with you must either be the enemy or a collaborator. At least get past one-dimensional thinking.
And it's the Overton window (not "overtone") after Joseph Overton, a US libertarian and free-market supporter. He came up with the concept to describe how think-tanks should manipulate public opinion to consider what was previously unthinkable, particularly in a free-market direction. Of course, that's all lost now it's become part of pop-politics.
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To the EU:
At least they give a platform for people to speak out and it's public, but yes disappointing although if you see the other cross-posts some are not straight talking about the risks other than just saying it's about mass surveillance or metadata collection which could ring less alarm bells for people reading it (i know mass surveillance should be enough but oh well)
True, that's actually a wonderful initiative and they should build upon it, the EU needs a public forum to discuss these things.
Just like me!๐๐
Thank you for bringing this to my attention, I wouldn't be aware of it otherwise. For what its worth, I left my ideas as feedback there.
Also, I would just like to point out that before lemmy (and subscribing to various EU communities) I was not at all active in voicing my opinion about such things as I didn't have any idea that it was even possible/how to do it. Lemmy as a whole has helped me become more active in this regard :D
This is to make sure VPNs have to retain data and zero logging will be illegal
They have been a thorn in the side of Disney, Netflix, Amazon and HBO for years.
" built-in backdoors,"
Good luck getting that into a lot of the open source tech we now use.
Simple: the open source tech is now illegal unless they can afford a full time legal team.
It's regulatory capture: the big firms get consulted by the EU and can design the laws to the detriment of competition. It's why now, for example, european cars are so expensive and restricted to a handfull of producers.
Alphabet and friends welcome regulation like this.
Only the headline asserts "built-in backdoors", the actual link... not so much.
A reasonable reading of the proposal, assuming it came into effect, is that ISPs, banks, telcos etc would be asked to retain certain records for a number of months or years in a harmonised way. Law enforcement agencies would be required to ask for it in the exact same way they ask for records right now and all the rules concerning GDPR etc would still apply.
Open source tech has zero to do with it, it's a matter of policy.
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Even as an American, this is terrifying. Everyone knows my country is shit, but I've always seen you guys as the gold standard and for this kind of thing to even be discussed over on your side of the pond is absolutely horrifying....
It's a specific group within the EU that's trying to do this.
Like those Project 2025 people.
This has widespread support under MEPs, accross party lines. It's only Germany and Poland that opposed it last time. (1)
Is there a list of those who support?
I think that was for Clientside scanning, not all the awful things this secretive group is trying to push.
And Germany won't oppose this time because the government is righ wing as hell.
always seen you guys as the gold standard
In the land of the blind
If the bottom of the barrel is what you're trying to compare a golden coated shit is taking all the money.
Lol I mean, nobody is perfect, but you guys have things like freedom of movement (even between countries) and France and Germany pushing open source software forward for the sake of privacy, security, flexability and community. Plus, you guys seem to have a mindset of "until it's proven safe, it will be illigal" compared to our "until it is proven UNsafe, it will be legal". Maybe "gold standard" isn't the best term, but I feel like you guys have better way of thinking about the world
I fear your glasses are tinted too rose. If you look at what they do instead of say, a different conclusion reveals itself.
Plus, you guys seem to have a mindset of "until it's proven safe, it will be illigal" compared to our "until it is proven UNsafe, it will be legal".
pushing open source software forward for the sake of privacy, security, flexability and community.
What happened instead was that bad governance made sure that there is little to no tech developed in the EU. We missed the 21st century tech boat.
Something they aim to "fix" the same way they always do: give money to professional grand receivers with the better political connections (example).
That failed, ofcourse, not in delivering grants, but in creating succesfull technology. So now they also try a new strategy: just fine foreign companies that they can't tax.
Still failing to address the original issues on why we aren't part of 21st century technology development. As addressing those issues would require them to look in the mirror.
Damn, you're probably right. I likely just see the good parts that differ from the shitty things about my country lol
How accurate is the FOSS part in practice?
This is something you'd expect in North Korea
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
They already see the coming day. This is why they want the control and enhanced viability
Well then you'll have to go full blown socialism
I tried posting on reddit, but it's blocked for some reason.
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