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A Boring Dystopia

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago (2 children)

So they're saying they want us to die on the job. That might be okay for some but I still want to at least pretend to retire before I croak

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago

Otto von Bismarck moment.

(Context: dude instated pretty much the first pensions system in the world to try and stop the Marxists gaining influence, and allegedly asked the guy in charge of making the program to set the retirement age at a value where most of the population would die before reaching it. Iirc they settled on 70 years old, which is definitely too old for the average 19th century factory peon)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

Hey, knowing the means of production in and out will be pretty valuable once the working class also own it.

[–] [email protected] 114 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

And "rest of your life" means you dying from work related health issues at fifty, of course.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

If you make it there; you won't have a union and labor protections will be struck down in kangaroo courts, OSHA safety requirements being insufficient or insufficiently enforced were already a main driver of people not wanting to work these kobs--and that was before the current and future dismantling of OSHA related rules.

Also, how are you going to get 90k when federal minimum wage is what is was in 2009? Many of the southern states have even passed "counter-wage" laws forbidding the state from passing it's own improved min wage law--truly hateful of the average person.

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And the economy is planned for 5 years at a time to keep those jobs this stable, yes?

Each time this guy opens his trap, he proves that when you hire clowns, you get a circus.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago

He is the proof, that time travel is real. They got a feudal lord from the middle ages to cosplay as that guy.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You keep hearing some members of this administration talk about automation and robots for factory jobs, and also AI for office jobs. If the press were at all smart they would continually ask these morons to keep explaining this contradiction. But I would love hear what they think will happen if everyone in the country loses their job. It's not going to be good for the %.01 either.

Oh yeah, only right wing brown-nosers have White House press credentials anymore.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That would require the media to not be owned by the same kind of people that own the factories.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Or afraid of losing access. They keep throwing soft balls because they’re worried about being banned from press conferences and interviews.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

100%

Access journalism is one of the many things destroying the faith people have in media

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To be fair, this is what this government promised. The issue is that the voters just took it in

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 week ago (4 children)

That poll showing 80% of voters want manufacturing jobs to come back to America but 20% of voters would willingly choose to work a factory job says everything.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, it says why are we schlepping parts all over the world to be assembled by poors in SEA, when we got our own poors stuck in the middle of the country with nothing to do but meth and fentanyl.

/s

On a more serious note, moving manufacturing back to the states will take some stupid number of years even if they start now, just to build the factories and the associated infrastructure. If only voters hadn't let the capitalist class gut domestic manufacturing in the first place...

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

moving manufacturing back to the states will take some stupid number of years even if they start now

Now, come on. I've been to Bethlehem, PA! The facility is just sitting there waiting to be used!

/s

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Looks perfectly there to me.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Yes, the 2024 election was truly a vote for misinformation over any policy.

Fox and the right have spent decades pushing various "this is what America needs" narratives but they're a contradictory mess that neither matches reality nor is coherent. This about the manufacturing jobs is one. See also: states' rights (except when the right controls the federal government and blue states don't follow), cutting spending (except when we want to give tax cuts to billionaires), back-the-blue and law-and-order (except when we are staging an insurrection and deporting citizens), etc.

The reason this happens is because those narratives were always propaganda purely to win elections and create hate for the other side, and that is because they were always about gaining power for its own sake, not about a worldview or concrete goals.

2024 showed that delusion wins over facts. So now the right is living in a pure fantasy, made of construction paper and rotting cardboard facade that they demand we acknowledge as a sparkling utopia, and we're all stuck in it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

People would work factory jobs, if they were good paying jobs.

If you could own a home, afford groceries, raise a family, save for retirement, and take a modest family vacation, there would be lines out door applying for these jobs.

But these aren't the factory jobs of the 1950s, those kind of wages aren't coming back.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Think I'll pass, bud. I've read The Jungle, I know how this ends.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I see these MAGA morons getting excited about the return of high-paying manufacturing jobs, because they have absolutely no Critical Thinking Skills, and they haven't asked themselves the most basic question - if corporations have the opportunity to rebuild the manufacturing base in America, why would they recreate the model that sent manufacturing overseas in the first place? Wouldn't they use this unique opportunity to create an entirely new model? And would that model benefit the workers, or the corporation?

The simple facts are, there will be two models in the new American manufacturing environment. The first will be factories that will rely heavily on automation/ robotics, and need very few humans. The second will be modeled after Asian sweatshops, with low pay, no benefits, forced overtime with no OT pay, child/teen labor, no health/safety/environmental regulations, etc.

The MAGA Nazis know this, but they are still selling the fantasy of high-paying factory jobs that even a stupid MAGA can do. I get that, they are disengenuous to the core, but why aren't Dems or the media screaming about this, and asking MAGA Nazis in every interview?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

Nothing you tell a MAGA, that doesn't sound like you worship their dear leader, will sink into their thick skulls.

They could literally be chained to a sewing machine working the 95th hour that week, paid $1 per hour and they would still claim they were winning (or at least owning the libs).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

I see these MAGA morons getting excited about the return of high-paying manufacturing jobs, because they have absolutely no Critical Thinking Skills

No, most have never worked an actual manufacturing, or trade job in their lives, and the ones who have want to distance themselves from that embarrassing "Peasant Work" episode at all costs.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Children make good factory slaves. Now I understand why they got rid of the department of education.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The traditional education system was actually designed specifically to prepare children for factory work. Enforce strict schedules, you arrive when we tell you, you eat when we tell you, you pee when we tell you, you leave when we tell you. The bell is king, and determines your whole day. Deviation from the bell’s schedule is to be punished and ridiculed.

It sounds like hyperbole, but modern education is literally based on the schools that factory owners set up for their workers’ kids, to groom the kids to work in the factory when they were old enough.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The factory owners just copied that from the Prussian model that was meant to train children to be good soldiers. Not that that was any better...

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

These people live in the delusion of the 1950's being a Golden Utopia of America. Minorities knew their place, gays stayed in Narnia, women kept their mouths shut and stayed in the kitchen, kids were mindless obedient extensions of their fathers, and everything was just... Perfect.

Except for the high income taxes. Fuck that.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's been clear from the start that they only want to make things 'great' for greedy cunts.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago

From age six until you drop dead. No schools required, whatever you need to do this job you will learn on the job.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They're still so certain we're having grandkids... Who's gonna tell them?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

It might not be you, but it will be children having children with abortion bans and lack of sex education.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

The worst job I ever had had was right after I got out of the military and went home. I needed a job and a buddy of mine worked in a place that made custom logo hats and jackets for various businesses. His job was to ship the finished products out. The job I got was on the floor sewing the little cardboard backing that the hat bill is sewn onto. I did this for a summer in an unair-conditioned room full of mostly older Asian women that were quite demanding about quality control. The repetitiveness of it was truly maddening.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The reason Trumps idea appeals to people for those unaware is that free trade destroyed a lot of union jobs, which were outsourced to emerging markets. After the industrial revolution unions fought for worker rights and salaries, and they were then shipped away to places that didnt have those rights, and they want to see a reversal of this.

Not sure if its right or wrong, but you cant fault them for holding out hope, its actually a left wing ideal I would say, large government protectionism interfering in the free market. Saying that all factory jobs are bad is a silly retort, there are many factory jobs in the US already that people are happy to have; even ASML making advanced semiconductor fabs is a "factory job".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Saying that all factory jobs are bad is a silly retort,

Who's saying that?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

these idiots have been so spoonfed that they've mentally swapped factory jobs and union jobs, and think it's the factory bringing good conditions and satisfying work

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

For life? Someone is delusional.

Maybe for 5 years, at most. Humans need food. Humans need breaks. Automated assembly machines? 24/7 production, no annual leave, no insurance plans, and no unionizing.

The up-front cost is much higher, but it's cheaper in the long run. Good luck keeping that factory job long enough to have kids, let alone pass it down to them.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We'll, the article was about the jobs maintaining the robots, not humans building stuff in factories.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I actually don't want to work at a factory. I want robots to do that for me and I want the products to be cheap so I can buy cool stuff to do more interesting things.

Like I don't want to weld parts and stuff, I want to make lasers from those parts.

I don't want to melt glass. I want to use lenses to make images.

I don't want to dig for shit. I want to use that stuff to make rocket fuel.

We don't want factory jobs. We want technology jobs.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

And you, your kids and your grandkids will all work in the factory for minimum wage at the same time! A real family affair, whether you're an 80 year old or a 12 year old, there's factory work there for you!

I guess, since they're ~~careers~~ jobs for life, they're also saying that recessions like the one they're triggering right now will never happen again, because layoffs aren't going to be a thing. So that's.... um.... an interesting empty promise, anyways.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Wow the AI meme from earlier this week, with the humans inside and the robots painting and doing creative work, it became too real

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

He doesn't mean after they graduate high school, he means as soon as they can walk.

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