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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

It's not that they're free. It's that they're exceedingly privileged from exploiting the global south. And then racist against their victims. Basically the same as USA. It was never about "freedom" but rather genocide, slavery, exploitation, etc.

The Economist is an imperial rag promoting pseudo-scientific capitalist ideology. They only care about pale skins.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

the bar for what is considered free now is just lower

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Anglo leftists will be like: "No." Because hatespeech and racism is only good when they do it. And many EU countries ban hatespeech.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

wat? nobody on the left supports hate speech.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

So much land of the free that you go to jail for smoking weed in most EU countries.

"There are thus no European Rasputins pumping untold millions into political campaigns"

There's plenty of them, that's how most elections are won here too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio_Berlusconi

Europe is as "free" as russia or usa or china: as long as you conform and do as authorities say you are free. Try to cross that line (like protesting against the genocide in palestine) and the government will beat and arrest you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Imagine going to jail for breaking the law! How dare Europe call themselves free when they uphold societal rules like that?!

Are you intentionally trying to mislead by intentionally not understanding laws?

America isn’t free because you can’t kill a healthcare exec without being imprisoned!

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Imagine going to jail for breaking the law!

A country where smoking weed "breaks the law" doesn't sound free at all

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

So just intentional stupidity.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

France should take the statue of liberty away from us tbh

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

what a waste of resources. it'd be cheaper for the rest of the world to just call it something else.

"Statue of Hubris" has a nice ring to it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

It’s now a monument to how things used to be

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

American obsession with money is weird when you think about it. Money is only useful when the human creativity, ingenuity, effort, etc. you want is for sale. Billionaires think their bunkers will save them after they make the world go to shit, but nobody is going to take care of these helpless bastards when there is nothing for their money to buy. Then there is the fact that money often ruins intrinsic motivation, which is why, for example, looking at the work of great artists and composers from the past, it’s clearly evident which works were commissioned vs. which ones were truly inspired work. A lot of open source software is inspired work that can be used without the limitations of paid software. Anyone running the arr stack with Jellyfin on a shitty old laptop knows all the enshittified streaming services combined can’t offer a superior experience. People with a loving and supportive family are wealthier than Elon Musk, who despite his net worth reeks of desperation for any superficial attention he can get. America is supposedly a “wealthy” country, but any country with a government that actually cares about its people and ensures they have a social safety net, clean food to eat without 1000 toxic additives, etc. is infinitely more wealthy than the USA.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

People with a loving and supportive family are wealthier than Elon Musk

And they'll never have to wonder if they're truly loved for themselves or because they're rich. At a certain level of wealth, you'll never know for sure if someone likes you for who you are vs. your wealth. At Elon's level of wealth, he can't even trust that his family is being honest with him.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

At Elon’s level of wealth, he can’t even trust that his family is being honest with him.

Well… his trans daughter probably is.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

When you look at GDP per hour worked then Western Europe is at about the same level as the US. It is just that Europeans work a lot less then Americans, hence they earn more money.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

from this article: "somehow europeans managed to squeeze their employers into giving them more of it"; it's called a union, not "convinced to grant" (like an "ottriate constitution" from a king). we (others before us) work politically with political subjects through conflict (strike, demonstrations, public debate and parliamentary discussions). anyway we don't do it enough, but we still have the remains of the communist, socialist and social democratic parties of the second after the war, despite the fact that anglo-saxon neoliberalism tried (and partly succeeded) to eradicate the welfare state (both from a regulatory point of view and through the culture of consumption and overabundance). however, we hope that in the future we will work less and we live better :)

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Already was. While the us was occupied with cosplaying as freedom freaks and destroying countless democracies for the sake of freedom, europe actually became free.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

It's a different idea of freedom. In the US it's about freedom to X, in the EU it's freedom from X.

For example, in the US you have the freedom to say just about anything you want. In the EU you're free from people making you unsafe by misinformation, lies, etc. In the US you're free to take pictures of anything you want that can be seen from the street. In Germany you're free from having pictures of your property posted online without your consent. The result is that Google's Street View covers everything in the US and almost nothing in Germany. In the US people or companies are free to take public information and hold onto it or publish it as they see fit without interference. In the EU, you're free from having that information out there forever beyond your control. You're free to demand that it be deleted under certain circumstances.

In the end, the European way is more about regulating things. It asks what kinds of things prevent people from living their lives freely and without worries, and tries to regulate those things. The American way is more about removing every regulation and rule possible and saying the end result is freedom so it must be good.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago

I think it's more that in Europe there's freedom for citizens, in the US there's freedom for corporations.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

The thing about Europe is its economy is permanently stuck in the doldrums, a global cautionary tale. And no wonder. Europeans enjoy August off, retire in their prime and spend more time eating and socialising with their families than inhabitants of any other region. Oddly, surveys show people in countries both rich and poor value such leisure time; somehow Europeans managed to squeeze their employers into giving them more of it. Even as they were depressing GDP by wasting time playing with their kids, the denizens of Europe also managed to keep inequality relatively low while it ballooned elsewhere in the past 20 years. Nobody in Europe has spent the past week looking at their stock portfolio, wondering if they could still afford to send their kids to university. Europeans have no idea what “medical bankruptcy” is. Oh, and no EU leader has ever launched their own cryptocurrency.

This whole paragraph had me on edge, a little unsure of whether The Economist, (edit for clarity: from presumably) an American publication (wing), legitimately thought these were good things or not.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Economist is British. This is absolutely about ridiculing Americans and their ridiculous ideas of being the envy of the world.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The tongue is firmly in the cheek.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I hope so, because in a decade of subscribing to that magazine I've often seen variants of the "worker rights are bad for the Economy" pitch in their articles and they were dead serious about it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I take your point. The economist is anti union and pro free trade, but the last 3 sentences of this particular columnist are anti Trump and spoken truthfully.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

The Economist are about as pure Neoliberal as it gets, whilst Trump and his minions are Fascists which is an ideology were the State sits above Money in the hierarchy of power (though, unlike in Democracy, the State under Fascism is not controlled by citizens), which is exactly the reverse order of what Neoliberals defend, so they're enemies.

What they both agree, however, is that the common people with their vote should not control the highest power in the land.

So I'm still suspicious those words were kinda tongue in cheek.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The Economist is a very Neoliberal British magazine (I should know, I had a subscription for almost a decade) and as such they have the vices of both:

  • The magical thinking of Neoliberals, were the solution for the social and economic problems caused by deregulation is even more deregulation.
  • The almost universal practice amongst the British Press and Political class of claiming everywhere is a shithole compared to Britain, especially Europe (and by that they mean Continental Europe).

So yeah, of course for them America sliding into Fascism isn't the fault of the explosion of inequality and total freezing of Social Mobility there, which was the direct consequence of 4 decades of Neoliberalism and the destruction or defanging of all powers in the land (including Unions and the State) except for the Power Of Money, and of course Europe is "problematic" because they haven't destroyed enough Unions, Worker Rights and other non-Money powers and workers are still entitled to things like a month of vacations, retiring before they're dead and time for activities other than sleeping and working (oh, the horror!).

These guys have basically the ideology of the Democrat Party leadership, but only on Economics and with a British twist, possibly even harder Neoliberal (so, even more Rightwing, though towards Oligarchy rather than Fascism), and they certainly see it as their mission to "make opinion" (not Journalism) so their stories are almost invariably spined in some way to sell their ideology.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

I kind of got both that impression and its exact opposite, like the whole paragraph feels like a long wink and a nudge, like the author would like to say "maybe fixating on 'line go up' distracts you from all that is good in life" but that would negate The Economist's entire raison d'être.

It's like Schrodinger's argument.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago

an American publication

According to Wikipedia, its mostly written and edited in London, and was started in Britain in the 1800s (to raise support for abolishing import tariffs in fact)

[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Chat control and any similar proposal should be killed once and for all before such big statements are made.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In the land of the blind, the one eye is king.

Sure, it could be better, but it isn't better anywhere else.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Uh, we historically had some rather repressive regimes, and some countries were ruled by dictators until the 90s. People like Franco and Ceausescu and Tito weren't that long ago.

But it's generally been pretty good in the millennial lifetime.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Europe has had the ability to change one’s station in life - what people might equate to the “American Dream” - for a long time now, and has had it better than America has. You can go from poor to a middle class life more easily. However going from rags-to-riches is far more rare. Unfortunately, here in America we’ve equated the Dream and Freedom to mean going from middle class to Fuck You Money, having a personal arsenal, and breaking every social contract we possibly can. The only ones trotting out The American Dream ™️ as still existing are politicians and the people fighting any restrictions on getting richer while the rest of us are crabs in a bucket all stepping on each other trying to keep from drowning. Now, with trump, we have the basic Constitution under attack and what few freedoms that guaranteed we had left being eroded. Well, except 2A, but he’ll get to that eventually.

Yeah, Europe has absolutely been “free-er” and better in multiple ways for a long while now. The only reason most Americans don’t understand this is because guns and chasing fuck you money.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nice article, I like how it is basically a list of things about Europe that aren't that great but then ends with "But in their own plodding way, Europeans have created a place where they are guaranteed rights to what others yearn for: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Yeah... For now. It's a fatal mistake to think what's going on here in the US hasn't already been spreading.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Nah.. Europe's countries still have their own laws so you can't just "take control of europe" like Trump took control of the US. You can't just appoint a European leader that just destroys everything the predecessor has done.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

I disagree. Hungary and Poland going utterly authoritarian came before America. If anything, they are parallel processes going on in Europe and the US.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago

You can express a controversial view on any European campus (outside Hungary, at least) without fear of losing your tenure or your grant.

You can freely express any controversial view on Hungarian campuses, nobody cares at all. Most people in Hungary don't care about the whole Gaza situation one way or another, with a slight exaggeration if you asked the average university student in Hungary where Gaza is, they would think you're looking for some nightclub.

The only people who care about Palestine in Hungary are the far-right, Orbán's far right being pro-Israel because kleptocrats stick together, while the extreme far right is pro-Palestine because they hate Jews. They usually won't be university educated either.

As faculty, you can also express whatever views, a lot of people were straight up protesting the government at one point, but there is not much they can do with them legally and Orbán's gang didn't care enough to alter the laws for that.

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