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I was watching some YouTube, trying to find some forgotten gems from retro systems. I ran into one about the Jaguar and decided to watch it.

Well, the fellow said a lot of the games were great, and I was kind of curious about that because I don't think it's controversial to say there's only a handful of decent games on the Jag, but this fellow was rating everything highly.

Later on I sat down to think about it and I realized something... after every game the fellow would say "Oh, and you can get it for about $XX.XX."

At that point the light-bulb went off and I realized this fellow is probably deriving enjoyment from collecting the Jaguar games, not playing them. To him, if he buys a game, plays it for a few minutes to make sure it works, it's probably a winner for him.

For me, who is getting Jaguar games from uhhhh a friend, I don't care about collecting them, I just want some fun stuff to play.

Anyway, I learned my lesson: I'll believe non-collectors' opinions more than collectors because they are mostly concerned with gameplay instead of how it looks on the shelf, or how rare and difficult it was to acquire.

P.S. I don't know how "hot" of a take this is, but I figure it'll probably hurt the feelings of collectors, so that's why I prefixed it.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago

Or he's trying to drive the price up for resell.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Had a buddy with an impressive vinyl collection and an audiophile setup. Awful taste in music, just dogshit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

To quote Jules Winfield: "Example?" I just wanna know what he was listening too 😆

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nah, music is subjective. I'm sure your music is dogshit to him as well.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

Music is completely objective. If I like it than it's good, if you don't agree then you are wrong

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

But if it's medieval bee keepers then it is objectively great.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I'd go even further - get them from people who emulatecthe games rather than people who play them on (or merely buy them for) the original hardware.

People who emulate retro games are demonstrably SOLELY interested in playing the games, without any of the collector cachet getting in the way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

It sucks, really. I prefer playing on original hardware but the collectors market has made that nearly impossible. I'd love to own all my favorite SNES games from my childhood but that is going to cost me around $1200 just for a few titles. That's almost my mortgage payment for video games.

This is why emulation is such a godsend. It gives enthusiasts access to the game without having to navigate around shitbirds asking $400 for a trash repro copy of Chrono Trigger.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago

I'm just the opposite.

I still own my SNES and all of its games from back in the day (and an NES, an original XBox and a PSX with their games), and they're all in boxes in my garage. Pretty much as soon as emulation became viable, that became my preferred way to play, since I don't have screw with wires and connections and consoles and cartridges or discs and all the rest of that clutter. I just click on an icon, select a game from a list, and away I go.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Hmm, in my experience there are lots of people in the emulation community who just enjoy to get things to work. So the fun comes from building up the romsets, setup the hardware, setup the emulator, test if the games are working, dial in the config for edge cases, maybe layer on a crt-shader, package everything behind a frontend, etc.

They rarely play through an entire game and instead just test out one of the thousands of roms they showed on to their handheld for a few minutes.

Yes, i'm talking also about myself. But after 10 years in the 'hobby' this seems to be pretty common.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (3 children)

People who emulate retro games are demonstrably SOLELY interested in playing the games

"Eehhhhhh..."

- Me, a data hoarder with severe executive dysfunction

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago

I'm just waiting for a nice breakdown of society that somehow happens with working electricity and no danger or difficulty obtaining food, and then I'm set.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

"My Steam backlog wasn't enough, let's add a couple thousand more to the pile with a few romsets."

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Oh shit, I've been cloned!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Well... yeah. True.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

It took me too long to realize that was an errant "c"

I was like "dam this dude is fancy. must be French"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I guess, by some standards, I could be qualified as a collector - I buy games for OG hardware before playing them.
However, and I don't believe I'm the only "collector" doing this, if a game is bad, didn't age well, etc, I will definitely say so and likely would sell said game if I've no interest in playing it again.

Sure, there are collectors who don't play games at all and review based on price, if that, but I know there are also people who do it like I do.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Great point!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

I think more general advise would be to understand the perspective you receiving and how it relates to yours.

Collectors are great for finding weird and evil things. Like "this cartridge had some special chip that makes it different from every other game on the system" and I think "oooh I kinda wanna try emulating that". Or "this developer made this weird bad game a few years before they found success with their breakout hit series" which can be interesting to check out.

Also a lot of "gamer" reviewers have their own issues. Fromsoft is a great example- they purposely neglect areas of their games that they don't want to focus on, and fans have interpreted their business priorities as genius design decisions that every game should copy. No more minimaps, no tutorials or onboarding systems, no explicit story. There are Nintendo fans who eat up every single thing they do and love to pay a premium for it- somewhat like Apple people.

Not to say those perspectives are "wrong" or shouldn't exist, but it's usually good to try to look at different perspectives.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

He's creating a market that will boost the value of the assets he already owns...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My recommendation is snes drunk. While it has a lot of snes reviews, there are reviews for a lot of diferent systems.

No sponsors, no frills, just the game and a review of how fun it is without rose tinted glasses.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

He does reviews of rom patches and fan translations of Japan only titles, too.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hot take part 2: Form your own opinion and play a game without review!

grinds teeth remembering renting "Superman" on the NES

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Superman 64 has entered the ~~chat~~ fog

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Superman 64 was a game before its time. It's actually kinda fun in VR.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

If you want to save your friends, solve my maze!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

I'm gonna say there are a whole bunch of valid ways to engage with games, new and old. Go build your sources from whoever fits your use case best, if that's what you need.

I have about as many gripes with the emulation-driven modern zeitgeist as I do with the "it belongs in a museum" artifact collectors, but I don't begrudge eiter. At most I will forcefully but respectfully remind both and everybody else that neither of those assessments map in any way to how the games were perceived at the time, that nobody knew what Final Fantasy V was, the N64 bombed horribly and most of the games you think are popular now weren't then.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I like to watch Big Ole Words on YouTube. He's a collector, and a player. He plays every game like he's a kid and just got it for Christmas, and it's the only new game he has. So, he tries really hard to find the fun in it. He has way, way more patience than I do, but he won't tell you a game is good when it's not. At least not from what I've seen.

I especially like the "games no one played" series of videos. I get to see exactly why no one played those games. 😄

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

Cool! I have some watchin' to do.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

most collectors do both. we collect the games and keep them in decent condition and then play the roms endlessly because we don't want to damage the physical copy.

collecting to me just means I love something so much that I wanted to make sure I have it to hold because I love it and have played hundreds of times.

some people do collect for the fun of the hunt or the thrill of owning something special. but many of us collect because we have loved the games for a very long time.

just because I have a new-in-box game under glass doesn't mean I haven't poured tons of hours into it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Already do. I don't even use professional review sources. I just ask what people who already like the same shit I like what they think about thing I am interested in.

Also: The best game I ever played on the Jaguar was the Aliens game. And that game still sucked ass lol to be fair, I played it on an actual Jaguar and what made it suck the most were the controls. With emulation, that might not be the biggest problem.