I'm sure there were also wonderful moments later on when people had a chance to piss on her grave.
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can one of the Brits lay out bullet points or just a short list of why Thatcher is so universally hated by the uk?
I really only know the memes and I'm finally curious about the substance.
thank you.
She (similar to Reagan in the US) enacted a massive shift in government/society from a more social-democratic focus to a more (economocally) liberal one. Her big goals were to privatize and financialize as much as possible.
This ended up leading to (as it always does) massive increases in inequality, with particularly rural/industrial regions suffering heavily while the services/financial sector in London boomed.
So she is EXTREMELY polarizing. Many conservatives or big-business types worship her, while for many/most others she's seen as the worst thing to happen to the UK.
Also lets not forget how the changes in press-ownership legislation during her time set the way for the growth of the Far-Right which has already delivered Brexit and will quite likely keep on regularly delivering problems to the UK.
got it, thanks for the broad strokes and context
Why does she show up as LibLeft on political compasses if she's so Reagan?
Source? Never seen anything like that cause she was the definition of capitalism.
The big thing she's remembered for is closing down the mining industry. Whole communities throughout the north of England and Wales were left penniless. They were towns where everyone worked as a miner or in some way related to the mine. Nothing was done to give any alternatives.
Of course there was a huge industrial dispute - The miners strike. Massive, initially peaceful, demonstrations that turned violent as police would attack and stir up the conflict. People died, communities were shatteredd, yet through it all Thatcher was unmoving. Just using the police as her own civilian army.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQh4n8rRLw8
She viewed as a uncaring authoritarian tyrant by many.
wow, that's crazy. thanks for the video, i just watched it.
if thatchers goal was to close the mines, wouldn't miners voluntarily not working play into that?
or does strike in this context mean general protest rather than specifically not working?
I think others have pretty much covered her social and economic destruction of the UK, so I'll add "Section 28".
To "protect our children", she introduced the policies to ban any books/songs/art/plays etc from schools which mentioned or suggested homosexuality in any way neutral or positive - obviously this led to an increase in the already fairly popular "gay bashing".
Thankfully nothing like that would happen anywhere now, outside of the few countries Vladimir Putin runs.
In one word? austerity.
But seriously, she probably is not even close to "universally" disliked. Lemmy (or the Internet in-general) is not a representative sampling of the population. For example, a sizable portion of their population voted for Brexit (many of whom now regret it.) You probably wont hear much from them on Lemmy, tho.
To add on what @Higgs [email protected] said, credit to where it's due, the privatisation did help the struggling British economy lift itself out of edging bankruptcy caused by the oil crisis. We have to admit that, sometimes, you need to tighten your belt. But, Thatcher went too far with gutting welfare and unions. Even some respectable conservatives at the time agreed that she went too far.
Thatcher Thatcher milk snatcher
Another one I think should be added is that she presided over the selling off of large amount of council housing (homes owned by local authorities and rented at controlled to people who needed them or for free in the case of some benefit claimants).
The scheme is called Right to Buy and was lauded as a way for everyone to own their own home, as they were sold to the tenants at way below market value.
However, housing stock was not replenished, as local authorities did not get all the money from the sales, and were further restricted from using what they did get to build new housing.
What we've been left with us severely depleted council housing. Where I live and work, we have a huge list of applicants, and only those with the very highest level of need can get a council property, leaving others to pay extortionate private rents or become homeless.
Furthermore, the rules around resale weren't strict enough so you see ex council housing on property websites where people have made tens of thousands in profit on selling them. Many of these are now in the hands of private landlords.
wow, yes I appreciate you adding that context, that's some important information to know
I remember when she took my milk
Thatcher the milk snatcher.
It's incredible how she is almost universally hated in the UK.
It's far from universal, the impression probably comes from the general left leaning bias of online Brits and the fact that people that don't like her tend to really fucking hate her due to her policies leading to the complete devastation of entire communities.
Yeah, the American analogue is Reagan. SO MANY people jack themselves off about being a “Reagan Republican” here, and whenever I hear someone say that, I just think “oh, ok, so you’re a racist imperialist hyper capitalist without a shred of empathy, but you don’t like to say it out loud, gotcha”
Many years ago I saw a post on....probably Digg, that espoused 200 (very valid) reasons to hate Reagan. It was one of those light-bulb moments for me as at that time I had no idea how damaging his presidency was.
However, the new American analogue will be trump.
I mean, Reagan was step 3 of how we got here. The first two steps were Nixon, and the dawn/systematic adoption of the Friedman Doctrine as the de rigueur corporate governance tactic in the US and most of the western world.
That’s the value of charisma. I can’t not seethe while listening to Reagan shucks his way to destroying the welfare state, but he was an actor, I’ve got to assume he was good at striking the right note for people who didn’t have the consequences of his policies right at hand.
I wish charisma were less effective, but unfortunately this is the world we live in. Even worse, the only Kennedy we have on the national scene is RFK Jr.
Yep I was in one of those mining communities just too young to understand what was going on till the mid to late 90s when I tried to get my 1st job only to realise there was nothing
unfortunately not totally universally.
And your jungle canyon rope-bridges.
This lady is my favourite “too bad”
Classic video. The old lady is based with staking Thatcher to make sure that she will never come back.
In chronological order.
It's difficult to imagine the death of an American politician being met with similar protests.
Not even for Kissinger?
Bro, brits have no shame, they even put popcorn on her coffin.
She ruined lives and communities …is doing that that bad?