Games

No, we should see that they are made illegal.

Just don't play them. You're not going to convince millions of players that lootboxes = bad so they shouldn't play the games they love. But you can just play games from companies that respect their customers.

~~Loot~~ Skinner box

And absolutely

Yes, have been from the start.

The only good lootbox game was Borderlands 2

If one wants to play F2P games I would like to recommend the no gatcha challenge. Meaning no gatcha or any in-game purchases. Rewards from forced tutorial pulls can often be sold / deleted or if the first pull isnt random then that doesnt count.

For battle pass games with only cosmetics I encourage to only use default skins, emotes, avatars, frames or etc. It probably annoys a lot of people to get owned by someone wearing "noob" skins.

If the games are still good / enjoyable after these restrictions then they just might be actually good f2p games.

I've been boycotting CS2 (née CSGO) since November 2019 when they introduced Fortnite skins with annoying voices that you couldn't turn off or disable.

I don't think it has worked but I'm definitely never playing another Valve multiplayer game, they always turn out the same way.

Video game boycotts are an absolute fucking joke. Especially if organized here. I mean what % of consumers are on Lemmy? Like 0.00000000000000001%? For fuck sake.

If the loot boxes affect your ability to win, don't buy the game. If they are just cosmetic, meh.

But don't stop there. If it has day one DLC, don't touch it. If it has DLC to patch game functions that should be in the base game, don't touch it. If it has any kind of pay to win function, don't touch it. If it has a subscription, don't touch it. If it's a pre-order, don't touch it. If it's put out by a conglomerate publisher that eats real developers and shits out imitations of their IP, don't touch it.

And most of all, teach these things to gamer kids and their parents. Kids are ignorant of the effect their purchases, and parents don't have the time and energy to go learn for themselves. Spreading awareness helps everyone.

Realistically, you and the other dozen people here on Lemmy that see this aren't going to make a difference. Its too far gone. You are free to play or not play whatever you want, but it won't make any changes to how businesses in the gaming industry monetize their products.

It would be nice if businesses cared about their customers, but money talks way louder than feelings. And there are too many stupid people that will keep paying for Candy Crush MTX.

Personally, I am okay with RNG based rewards that cost real world money if the game is free to play, as long as it offers a way to get the RNG rewards by playing the game even if it is at a reduced rate. Even if it is Pay To Win, at least reviews will tell me going into it so I can decide for myself whether I am okay with potentially playing at a disadvantage or not. In some games that won't really matter to me, such as if I don't want to really engage with PvP, for example. But other games that are PvP focused, I probably won't play unless the rewards are cosmetic only. RNG based rewards that cost real world money in a game that costs money just to gain access to or play the game that are not entirely optional cosmetics are stupid IMO, and so I just don't buy or play those games. I almost never pay for RNG based rewards anyway, only doing it for games I really enjoy or if there is a collaboration event in the game with an IP I really enjoy, hopefully letting the IP holder know I want more of that IP.

It sucks, but a loss of only 50 or so players from here on Lemmy is nothing to game publishers that gain and lose thousands more players naturally and not because of monetization per week.

Yes

I think your voice could actually be better than your wallet on this.

For one, these games are free. So, are you harming the world by playing them and just not buying loot boxes? Minimally, at best. I also advise people enacting boycotts to represent vocal action around them. For instance, I called Target directly about my boycott when they ended DEI hiring.

You can also help lobby politicians to make clear how you feel on the issue. That can put a lot more panic on publishers. Politicians don’t have a strong reason to defend them - often it only gets ignored because they don’t think voters find it a significant issue. Even if you don’t get a federal ban, sometimes you can get state laws like limiting physical advertising; which can also sometimes spread to other states.

Basically, boycotting as a form of inaction, especially when it makes your days boring, isn’t necessarily an effective approach.

Yes.

I know that I'm one guy, and my purchasing decisions ain't gonna change nothin'. But I still try to vote with my wallet as much as I can in order to feel like I'm doing the right thing. I'm the guy old-fashioned enough to still only buy native Linux games because I don't like the idea of replacing official support with just hoping Proton happens to work, knowing full well that this replacement happened long ago and I am too late to turn back the clock. And I've got a whole list of publishers I will never buy from under any circumstances.

I will never ever ever spend money on gacha, because if I don't know what I'm buying then I'm not buying it. Even putting aside the ethical concerns, that's just a stupid purchase.

But I have a lot of nostalgia for TF2, and I don't know how to reconcile that. They kinda got away with sneaking in gacha before we realized how evil this is. I haven't touched the game in a long time anyway, but if the Heavy Update ever saw the light of day (it won't) or even if they just brought back rd_asteroid (even more not happening), I'd be very tempted and I dunno what I'd do.

There are two gacha games I still play, without spending any money on, while knowing what a hypocrite I am for playing them. Mahjong Soul and Riichi City. They're the two most populated Riichi Mahjong clients - it's either these or Tenhou, but Tenhou isn't in English, hasn't been updated in a long time, paywalls a number of features behind a subscription model, and is steadily losing players to its competitors. If a new client with an ethical business model took off I'd switch in heartbeat, but I can't imagine one would ever take off to a point where I could queue at any time of day and get high-ranking opponents at my level. So I'm kinda stuck with these.

I don't play CounterStrike or Team Fortress 2 because I'm not a god damned masochist.

In the end, I'm technically already boycotting them.

yes, if for no other reason than that they're tricking you into thinking they're more fun than they are. you can have more fun playing other games with actual mechanic designs

Yes. And you should boycott Steam because they practically invented gambling for underage. Watch the coffee-something video about it.

Now, 3,2,1 watch all the so-called gamers rip their shirt to defend this evil soulless capitalist business because "they offer a good service and care about gaming blablabla ubisoft bad blablabla".