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[–] EmilyIsTrans@lemmy.blahaj.zone 118 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Fifth, they could simply write checks to Treasury that help us finance global public goods.

You have to be fucking kidding me.

[–] Corngood@lemmy.ml 53 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In America, tipping isn't really optional.

[–] toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

from my experience, it just makes sure they don't spit on your food twice

[–] JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

The Empire makes the rules, it doesn't follow them.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 104 points 1 week ago (2 children)

First, other countries can accept tariffs on their exports to the United States without retaliation, providing revenue to the U.S. Treasury to finance public goods provision. Critically, retaliation will exacerbate rather than improve the distribution of burdens and make it even more difficult for us to finance global public goods.

Second, they can stop unfair and harmful trading practices by opening their markets and buying more from America;

Third, they can boost defense spending and procurement from the U.S., buying more U.S.-made goods, and taking strain off our servicemembers and creating jobs here;

Fourth, they can invest in and install factories in America. They won’t face tariffs if they make their stuff in this country;

Fifth, they could simply write checks to Treasury that help us finance global public goods.

They genuinely still think other countries are the ones that will pay the tariffs...

[–] toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 54 points 1 week ago (1 children)

isn't this just basically the literal exemplificatino of extortion?

I knew a guy named Exemplificatino of Extortion. We just called him Tino for short.

[–] ghostlychonk@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago

They don't think that, they just have to keep the cultists believing it.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 76 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Finally, Miran said that countries could “simply write checks” to the Treasury Department.

So, they're calling trade deficits tariffs...

Then that means if America buys $10 million meow meow beans from Penguin Island, the trump admin thinks the penguins should then pay the trump admin $10 million so it's a balance...

Like, did they legitimately forget that anything besides money exists?

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 48 points 1 week ago

“Japan is sending all these cars, and what do we get?”

“…the cars?”

https://youtu.be/Mrje-m01kI8?t=3486

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 33 points 1 week ago (2 children)

An example I heard I think on Stand-up Maths' video was going in to buy a cheeseburger, and then demanding a tariff charge because the owner won't buy something of equal price from you. Imports and exports don't have to be the same to have a healthy trade balance.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Wasn't the whole point of money to avoid that kind of barter system?

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes. This business shows that not only does Trump not understand tariffs or trade or economics, he doesn't even grasp the basic purpose of money.

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Well if you don't pay your loans or bills and declare bankruptcy when you've fucked up, you forget what money is.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, and the US is in the amazing position where basically all global trade is denominated in US dollars. This tariff thing is just going to incentivise everyone to switch to something else.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I bet Putin and Xi would prefer that to change.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 3 points 1 week ago

BRICS has a project to create a cryptocurrency to denominate all trade between those countries. Not sure if it'll be successful, but it's definitely their ambition.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Yeah, everyone has been making that point...

But this is the first I've seen where the admin just straight up says to give them the money.

Like, it's not just demanding they buy a cheeseburger from you for the same cost. They're saying if you don't, then you just have to give the money back and they keep your cheeseburger.

It's literal toddler logic. They don't understand how the literal basics of what trade is between two people.

He might as well have said:

I don't understand how the US economy works, much less some sort of self sustaining one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAKOWcs8w54

[–] cravl@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 week ago

Oh, it gets better. For countries that we have a trade surplus with... they're still levying a 10% tariff. Because like, UsA biG stROnG, I guess? Stupid reckless chest pounding. I just can't.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 15 points 1 week ago

TFW you move manufacturing abroad but don't want to pay to import

[–] ShadowRam@fedia.io 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Makes me wonder,

Do they calculate all the software / subscriptions / services that are being sold by US companies in their 'trade' calculations?

I'm willing to bet, US is already exporting more than importing if you put those into the equation.

[–] Mbourgon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No, services were left off.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

I didn't believe you. Here's a source showing you're right.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/04/04/upshot/trump-tariffs-reciprocal.html

The Trump administration calculated the trade deficit using only goods — physical items that can be shipped — and not services, such as technology, media, banking and tourism. (A DVD counts; a Netflix subscription doesn’t.)

[–] toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 65 points 1 week ago (2 children)

someone really needs to remind AMERICA - of all fucking countries - what happens when you try to tax from afar.

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Dumping Teslas into the ocean might not be good for the ocean... Just light em on fire.

[–] Fingolfinz@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Light the factories on fire

[–] JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

How long do you think Tesla Shanghai is going to keep going for. Shut down that factory and all of Tesla will grind to a halt.

[–] toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

you just made me think.. for a brief time, you could go swimming in tea.

[–] TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago

To be fair they tend to catch fire when wet so tipping them into the ocean may do both.

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

BYD should start making power adapters for Tesla batteries. Recycle everything!

[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Funny enough, the US levies income tax against dual citizens living abroad.

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Correction the US taxes all US citizens, including permanent residents, temporarily living abroad. Look up FATCA.

[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

Oh sure. But the dual citizens bit is especially egregious. Like you have to pay a fee just to keep your citizenship even if you aren't using any US service bc you live somewhere else.

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 51 points 1 week ago (3 children)

There's a negotiating technique where you demand absolutely insane things, then "back off" to things beyond what you originally wanted. The Republicans do it a lot.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 32 points 1 week ago

Yes, and Trump has done it a lot. This is different though. This is going to undermine US trade relations permanently, even if he tries to walk back the tariffs or "cut deals" with some countries

[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago

It's called anchoring

[–] JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thats not how the mafia works.

They make a demand, and if you accept it, they make more demands.

The mafia are businesspeople, just not very good at it, that's why they kneecap their competitors.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

The mafia are businesspeople, just not very good at it, that's why they kneecap their competitors.

Have you ever heard of the “Monroe Doctrine”?

[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

They're thinking like Qing Dynasty or general Dynastic Era China? History really does repeat. They really want "Tribute" now....

Sigh....

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I actually prefer the Chinese method of replies. Just set the tariff to the same level as the US, and then add some pain points to bring the message home.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

China has that luxury because they're relatively well off. Smaller nations don't necessarily

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Or smaller nations that need to find new supply lines.

[–] vegeta@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Trump ~~Adviser Releases~~ Insane ~~List of Demands for Tariffed Countries~~

FTFY

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

He suffers from Trumps derangement syndrome.

[–] Fingolfinz@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

“Sit there and take it”