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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Bit like Japan I suppose. Both regions have relatively low wealth inequality in contrast to other countries. Both have publicly accessible welfare systems. Both look for steady economic growth than getting high on raging steroidal economic growth that the US is obsessed with. Both have pretty good rule of law and human rights. Depending on where you are in the EU, some member states have a comparable toxic work culture as Japan. Both also whine about immigration despite the declining population.

I semi-joke about the latter but countries less obsessed with steroidal capitalist growth have a better quality of life. We may not have tech giants like Amazon and Facebook, but at least we don't have tech bros buying out politicians to dictate policies.

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The eu is continually trying to find ways around encryption.

Not arguing with your main points but that is a huge L

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Yeah we gotta stop those fuckers. It's not the EU per se IMO but a group pushing that crap again and again. Hopefully it'll end with some personal souverain data law or something blocking things like that for good.

[–] Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

Fortunately for now people seem to show again and again that they don't want this crap.

[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

last time i bothered looking into, literally every EU anti-privacy initiative had links to either Putin or Thiel (or one of his puppets)

[–] Ruigaard@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah we've gotta stay vigilant with encryption and other infringements on our rights and freedom.

[–] Jokulhlaups@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Tech firms that sell AI tools for content scanning (e.g., Thorn) are deeply involved in lobbying for these chat control policies.

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

I wouldn't be surprised if it's driven largely by big tech.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

USA: Ha ha you don't have a facebook!

EU: Oh no. Anyways...

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

As I asked in the other thread, also: who pays the price for this quality of life?

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Depending where you shop, no one really.

A lot of manufacturing is still actually done in the EU, unlike the USA. I can buy all basics for example (clothes, food, kitchenware, cleaning supplies, shoes, etc) in Finland also made in Finland.

[–] Ruigaard@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 weeks ago

You could definitely buy a lot European, though I know from my line of work (sustainability consultant for (mostly retail) companies), that a lot of supply chains run to China.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth -1 points 2 weeks ago

The raw materials? The damage to the body from working those jobs? I'm sorry it's just not realistic.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Our own Trump, Musk etc.

We don't have them (yet).

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Our global South and Asian neighbors? Migrant workers? Our impoverished working class?

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Jealous 😛😊? You shouldn't be, copy us instead.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 2 weeks ago

My state already engages in brutal necessary resource extraction from our neighbors, while selling their own resources back to them for much more than we pay or "invest," domestically and abroad, like the rest of the global West. Just because some residents get more where they reside doesn't mean those states aren't directly and indirectly engaged in the same practices.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

but at least we don't have tech bros buying out politicians to dictate policies.

We have tech bros buying out US politicians who can dictate us what to do, as the EU is totally reliant, economically and militarily, on the US.

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

As a European, I find a comparison to Japan a bit offensive. Have we fallen that low?