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It means Andor was excellent and Secret Invasion was hot garbage.
It really could have been another Andor, too. On paper. A completely different story from the dead horses they keep beating, with low-power characters in high-stakes situations, overcoming political and personal obstacles without superpowers or deus ex machina technology, giving us a taste of what it's like to be a normal human trying to do what's right in a universe full of space wizards and galactic threats...
Instead, garbage. Hot, hot, garbage.
Just to expand on the concept, Andor was a quality show that demonstrated the IP still has life. It is compelling and well-made, bringing viewers to Star Wars at a time when most enthusiasts are tired of terrible movies.
There are many parallels between Star Wars and the MCU.
By making a completely out of the norm series, focused on a side character from an non-main movie, and not using anything that identifies the universe.
It demonstrated that even Disney can make something good once in a while, but it didn't do anything to the Star Wars IP.
I'm indifferent to whether or not Disney can revive Star Wars (or Marvel for that matter). I've enjoyed the nostalgia and the excitement of it all, and the disappointment of watching a crappy movie (or four) doesn't outweight the fun of Star Wars for me. We've seen all the things we could have imagined when we were kids and full of imagination. Heroes fought villains. Characters matured and died. Villages were destroyed, universes saved.
The thrill of seeing those stories come to life is gone.
So the question remains, is there any point to Star Wars anymore? Are there stories worth telling beyond skweeyoosh fwoom fwoom kszzrt? Or is every new story a retread of the original? The sequels strongly suggested the latter, but Andor proves that it's still all about the writing. Good writing cab cover a lot of deficiencies. Andor would be a good show even if it wasn't connected to Star Wars, because it is made by people who want it to be good and know how to make it good.
But it is a Star Wars property, and it does add to the universe. It does make me want more shows like it, more Star Wars. As long as it's good.
Besides the Death Star, storm troopers, and blasters?
Well, to be fair, it does have stormtroopers and they do say "may the force be with you" to each other.
Through no fault of Tony Gilroy's, Andor's last few episodes got GoT'd. So much of the story had to be compressed, a bunch of scenes got inserted almost randomly in post production. The narrative fell apart. That final episode was shot with the change in Gilroy's back pocket.
Really spoiled what had been up until that point some of the best Star Wars material produced to date.
I'm less likely to tune into a new Star Wars series after watching Disney dismantle another hit in mid-Production now than I was when the first episode aired. So, I guess, in that sense it has something in common with Secret Invasion.
I mean they did have to accelerate to Rogue One in the number of episodes they were given.
The last episodes were done very well in my opinion. It covered the rest of how much tyranny harms itself and creates the links necessary for Rogue One and a New Hope.
The original plan for the series was five seasons. And you can see it in the edges - scenes that were filmed before the decision to cap the series at two that didn't seem to sync up with the rest of the plot, characters introduced in a dramatic fashion who only had a few minutes of screen time, production quality in the final episodes falling off a cliff.
The final episode of the second season had a Xena Warrior Princess tier budget. Tons of close in shots, virtually no special effects after the return to Yavin, weird janky uses of greenscreen and CGI in the final five minute epiloguish-thing. This was a beautiful show that was chopped off at the knees.
Gilroy exited the project gracefully, but its abundantly clear that Disney execs looked at the returns on their streaming service and said "Fuck it, we're better off following the Zaslov Model". So now, much like Netflix and (HBO?)Max, AAA movie quality television at Disney is getting flushed down the toilet and we're pivoting back to Michael Eisner's "Give me a forth direct-to-DVD Tinkerbell movie" business plan.
https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/news/andor-season-2-creator-tony-gilroy-scrapped-five-season-plan/
He tells the story quite differently. Sounds to me you heard it was supposed to be 5 seasons and started looking for problems. The entire series had tons of nothing side characters given unusually deep characterization, it's been a hallmark of Gilroy's style. I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about with the production quality of the last episodes.
You can find plenty of abbreviated and dropped plotlines across the 2nd season. But the last episode really stands out as half-baked.
The first season "nothing" characters largely have completed story arcs that begin and end in their 3-episode arcs. More major characters roll through to the end of the season.
The second season breaks from this pattern in a number of instances. Meanwhile, the cinematography, the special effects, and the choreography really fall of, particularly in the final episode. This was a very obviously rushed end to the series and quite a bit of it breaks heavily from Gilroy's earlier episode depth and polish.
They had 5 seasons originally?
Goddamn bullshit we got fucking robbed. That is so much story there they could have done.
I thought they did the giant jumps in time in the series because they didn't have good stuff, but it's because Disney fucking sucks. Yay.
Showrunners planned for five seasons, with each three-episode arc commanding something like a $75M budget and months of filming. This was planned back when Netflix, HBO, and Apple were pushing out projects on a similar scale for their top tier shows. Gilroy notes that, at the current pace of release, the project wouldn't have been completed until 2034. Some degree of scaleback had been anticipated for a while.
But post-COVID and following a huge industry-wide reevaluation of the prospective future growth of the Streaming media model, the big studios decided to cut back significantly. HBO / Warner Bros, under newly minted CEO David Zaslov, led the pack by going so far as to scrap existing projects and take a tax deduction rather than releasing functionally finished projects. Now Max is fully invested in Discovery Channel tier Reality TV and back catalog movies. Netflix began hard-capping their projects and churning out a bunch of AI-generated slop a year or two ago and is also heavily leaning on its back catalog. Disney is just following the pattern.
Every season was effectively planned to be a year, in the five year run up to Rogue One / New Hope timeline.
So wait, is Andor still worth a watch? If the ending is broken like you describe, is it still satisfying to watch until the end?
The ending is great, don't listen to the haters. The decision to stop after a second season wasn't some penny pinching assault on creativity. Even when the plan was 5 seasons, some actors said they wanted their characters to be done after 2. Diego Luna was on Kimmel recently talking about his lack of desire to stay comitted to 5 seasons of a show that takes so long to produce a single season.
So instead of the typical stuff where streamers string us along with short 6-7 episode seasons, we got 12 total episodes that basically played like 4 small movies.
Very much so. It's the most gritty Star Wars since Rogue One (unsurprisingly since it's the same story).
I went back to watching the Mandalorian after finishing Andor and it isn't as good in comparison, it's too Disneyfied (I maintain that the show was created for the express purpose of selling Baby Yoda merch).
The first season of Andor is some of the best TV I have ever watched. Its incredibly well done.
The second season is still good, just not great. Apparently there were originally supposed to be 5 seasons, and it kind of shows that they compacted it all into two. The highs of season 2 are on par with season 1, but its just not as consistently excellent.
The ending isn't a grand finale, but it can't be. The grand finale is Rogue One. I didn't have a problem with it because I always had RO in mind as the last, extra long episode.
1000% still worth a watch. Easily the best Star Wars content to have come out in the Disney era by a mile.
The show is in the form of 4 3-episode arcs per season. So there's a lot of good show to enjoy. Just don't expect it to stick the landing.
Like, by s02e10, I was convinced I'd be throwing on Rogue One right after. And then I got to end and was not feeling it.
what is "GoT'd"?
Game of Thrones'd
Although, in that case Warner Bros had handed D&D a black check and they'd just failed to cash it.
I don't think it's anywhere near that bad to be honest.
Game of Thrones'd.