"We did it, Patrick! We made a technological breakthrough!"
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AI, in this case, refers to LLMs, GPT technology, and anything listed as "AI" meant to increase market valuations.
Yes, I'll just trust the AI to help me fuck around with grid voltage levels.
With google search results becoming so poor, I guess I need to look into kagi or duck-duck. Pain in my dick, motherless goatfucking, horsehit-happy asshole, corporate varmints gotta fuck it all up for more profit. I'm tired, yo.
I mean, if you do... you kinda deserve what comes to you.
This assumes people know how AI works, and that's not common knowledge.
Dude, like a handful of people have any idea how it works, it was completely a black box until recently when they started deciphering how it “thinks” before outputting in any given language. And before anyone argues, yes, researchers have actually started to assess how it processes stuff now, they’ve recorded the binary processing that wasn’t language based and upon suspecting they found the processing akin to what we’d call thinking for ai, they saved the streams, presented it to other ai in droves and asked them to interpret it independently of the other system that manufactured it, and indeed it matched up with the processing of requests, but was not in any human language, it’s indeed machine code, but not like Fortran or cobal or hexadecimal codes that we are used to dealing with, it has its own language. So no one has a library or Rosetta Stone yet to interpret this, and as of now you have to “trust” other AI to tell you what it means. Which obviously isn’t a good idea at all.
Edit: the paper since some of y’all don’t believe it, and frankly I don’t blame you. It’s new research. "Do Sparse Autoencoders Capture Concept Manifolds?” https://arxiv.org/abs/2604.28119
This isn't even what I meant by "how it works". I mean that it's basically a machine that outputs whatever next text that would be the most probabilistic given the previous text and input.
So the basics of how it works. Not exactly how it works.
Most people don't know the basics of AI and how it works in that sense. They hear AI and think "I Robot" and think the computer is actually talking to them and giving them something that a "brain" has "reasoned" about, which is not the case.
You want to cite some sources because like a lot of things people say about AI this too sounds like bullshit?
I think you missed the key part of what the person you replied to said: common. It is not common knowledge. Yes some people who have done extensive research and spent hundreds of hours on this stuff might have a somewhat good understanding of how LLMs and GenAI work. Do you think just your average person using Google has any idea how it works? No, no they do not.
not hexadecimal codes lol. you are clueless.
but also, the point was that for most even a general level of understanding is missing, making them easily think that it is the all knowing machine that cannot be wrong
no.
these things are sold to us as magical black boxes of universal knowledge. most people don’t know how they work.
blame the ai companies, not the people who fall prey to their lies. why does this have to be said. come on.
Dawg EVERYTHING is sold to us that way... Well not everything, but you get it.
Learning to spot "marketing" BS is a survival skill at this point. People have to learn.
What I'm saying is, the way AI is done is immoral and wrong, but we need to be able to spot "immoral and wrong" from a very young age if we're to make it to old age. AI is just one such instance that can get you messed up or even killed.
survival skills are inconvenient, like being responsible for your kids and your own choices, so you can forget the average person to bear that.
Can we stop treating people as mentally challenged toddlers? When AI started, I would have agreed with you about this. But if today you still use any AI and trust what it says, after all we have seen it does, it's on you.
Am I saying that AI companies are not to blame? No. I think AI companies are to blame for the shitty product they are delivering. But let's not take any personal responsibility of people. If you plug a fork in an outlet and shock yourself to death, there's nobody to blame but yourself for being dumb. And this is the same.
And yet, we still design outlets in ways that make that exact kind of thing as hard as possible. Because there will always be kids who have no idea what they're doing. Because there will always be old people unfamiliar with the technology that "everyone" should know how to use by now. Because accidents happen.
This kind of attitude completely ignores the fact that there are vulnerable people who are very susceptible to the sycophantic nature of GenAI. There are multiple reported instances of people being convinced to kill themselves or others by GenAI. AI companies won't do anything about this kind of thing unless they are forced to.
No. This is absolutely the wrong attitude. AI companies must be held accountable for all the horrible shit AI is doing.
I agree that we should hold people responsible, but I'd argue mentally challenged toddler is much much closer to the average human intelligence than you think. The average person is shockingly stupid.
Yes, but let's wait until the lead-poisoned generation have been cared for first. And also until those harmed by whatever the brainworm-in-chief FDA is up to have been cared for. After that, let's expect everyone to be able to think things through.
No, no you don't.