That's exactly who Canadians elected. The ship isn't sinking any faster and his government is relatively competent. He brings stability and maybe, if Canada is lucky, marginal improvements. No one thought Carney was a leftist or represented meaningful change...

[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't think it's who they voted for, but rather a result of who they voted against.

[–] Seimhe@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not Canadian but since this whole thing is brutally relatable, aren't we as citizens responsible for the poor choice? I know capable people that decided to work for private companies instead of public service, for example. (apologies if this is too tangental, but it's been on my mind).

[–] GreenBeard@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No friend. There is no ethical move on the board. In Canada at least, if we had anticipated the problems our electoral system would cause and corrected it 50 years ago when we had the chance, we could blame the voter, but because of the flaws in our democratic system, we're caught in a spiral where the governing system is not designed to actually reflect the values of our citizens. It's nice when they do align, but that doesn't happen often.

[–] Seimhe@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Upvoted because I agree in part, but if there is no ethical move left on the board we are doomed, and I don't believe that. I believe that we can radically transform our nations for the better. Look at Mamdani in NY and Zack Polanski and Fiona Lally in England - or more importantly, the movement growing around them. The problem as I see it is that we are distracted (entertained, busy) and divided (ideology / misinformation). We do need a revolution, though. And by-the-numbers "leadership" isn't doing it.

[–] GreenBeard@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You can create localized pockets of sanity in the madness, but the system is structurally designed to never let them have broad enough support to affect the scale of change needed. Given the design of our system, it actually takes generations of concerted effort to fully realize that scale of change. It assumes the luxury of time.

[–] Seimhe@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

True. I suppose there is a lot that needs changing: FPTP, lobbying in politics, insider trading, media reform, algorithm regulations ... I'm only scratching the surface.

[–] yannic@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

* who liberal party members elected

I would argue Justin Trudeau's leadership had a left-leaning slant, and influenced by the (sorry, don't know the word) American "vote for your leader separately from voting for your representative" system of governance, you could argue Canadians chose a left-leaning government, meanwhile liberal party members chose a right-leaning government.

It's a cunning strategy for a centrist party in power; swapping out a leader who leans one way with another who leans the other in-between general elections, just when the usual dissolution starts materializing.

Edit: Oh, shoot, I forgot about the 2025 federal election. Yes, Carney was the leader back then.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Trudeau wasn't left, he was just left of the Carney we got and too pro-US to be leader.

(Carney is also too pro-US to be leader)

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So he wasn't left?

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago

The swapout was the case between March and April when Carney was interim leader. And yes, while you could make the argument, that how Carney would lead wouldn't really be understood by Canadians after only two months, Canadians did technically elect the MPs to put Carney in power in a general election. That election was based on his and not Trudeau's platform.

[–] GreenBeard@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 days ago

Trudeau didn't have a left-leaning slant, he had left-leaning face paint on. Left-face if you will. Everything he messed up, he messed up trying to leverage Harper era conservative policy, poorly and without really understanding what he was doing.