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Is there an open source no-AI password manager out there?

Trying to bail on BitWarden... KeePassXC (with SyncThing) seems to come up as the most recommended, but they've been using copilot. Seems like they might still have the strongest anti-ai stance of the available options though, despite that.
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[–] anise@awful.systems 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

It's really not. Out of the 23 000 something vulnerabilities claude claims to have discovered in open-source projects only 3-500 have been reported to repo owners,, only 65 have been confirmed and given any rating at all. This is not any more efficient than any other form of fuzzing, they just did a whole lot of it.

[–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Those are just the ones that Mythos has claimed so far. They stated that is only about 1% of all the vulnerabilities they discovered and were publicly announced. Firefox 150 had over 270 bug fixes, with 13 of them as high severity.

Mythos is also finding high severity vulnerabilities that have been in systems for over 20 years with no humans able to discover them during that time. Its patient, and can look at the entire repo and how it all works together.

[–] anise@awful.systems 2 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The problem is that I do not believe a word that anthropic says. They say this is only 1%, but do they have any proof to back it up? I am also sceptical of the claim that it can "look at the entire repo and how it all works together". It can produce an approximation which could give it an advantage over more traditional fuzzers, but most reported bugs are still very local(and/or non-existant) and easily ruled out if it could actually model the naur theory behind the code.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago

I do not believe a word that anthropic says

Nor should you.

[–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

They already explained how they have placed hashes inside all their bug reports for Project Glasswing and will reveal their report once there has been time for patches to be applied.

Mozilla, developer of one of the most active and heavily scrutinized open source repositories in existence today, blogged about it with their product known as Firefox. They agree with you that it doesn't do anything better that what a human researcher could find, but its perk is that it can relentlessly play that role and keep looking, while human researchers have to sleep, eat, and enjoy other activities:

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/privacy-security/ai-security-zero-day-vulnerabilities/

[–] anise@awful.systems 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'll see when these hashes materialise, until then I have to assume LLM companies are lying always about everything.

See, the problem is that I am not talking about human researchers, I am talking about other methods of automated fuzzing. I believe mozilla is overstating how useful the LLM has actually been. This has many reasons, one of them being that their main source of income is trying to become an LLM company. If that project fails said company might have to make some unfortunate cuts.

[–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Im sure FreeBSD probably appreciates the bug reports as well, and I don't believe they are tied to LLMs. They have totally revamped their processes recently to accommodate for the influx of reports coming in.

[–] DougPiranha42@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I’m struggling grasping your logic. I am very far from being an AI fanboy but I’m also not a luddite.
So we have tools now that can pretty much autonomously scan through any accessible codebase and find new vulnerabilities that were not found before. And you say that’s not a big deal because anyone could have found those vulnerabilities if they looked?
Of course, that’s the whole point, nobody was able to attack at that scale before, and now many actors are. Your argument reminds me of what was common to hear 15 years ago when nobody secured anything: “why would I complicate my life with security, nobody wants to hack me! and if one day the CIA decides to come after me, they can get through security anyways!” True, until you have botnets scanning every ip…

[–] anise@awful.systems 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The problem is that not "many actors" are able to attack at this scale, because running a scan at this scale is extremely expensive. If I were to run a thousand fuzzers on a piece of code I will almost certainly find a vulnerability, but I can't do that because of the prohibitive cost. Anthropic is essentially buying marketing by doing this to make their product seem more useful than it is.

[–] DougPiranha42@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Got it, that makes sense.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The problem isn't that it's finding stuff. It's that it's also finding a ton of useless crap that a human has to sort through because the machines aren't reliable. If you get blasted with 100 new lengthy and overly detailed bug reports vomited up by a text generator and you have to triage them all to figure out if there even is a needle in that haystack, the added benefit is practically nullified by the overhead of actually utilising it.

[–] DougPiranha42@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Oh I know the response to this: you have to set up an agent team to triage the reports!
I understand why a team wouldn’t want to have anything to do with AI. I don’t understand why a user thinks software is compromised if they accept AI generated bug reports.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 1 points 6 days ago

For some, it may be a matter of trust: If I don't trust AI code, but you do, I don't trust you either.

For others, it will be a matter of hardline principles: If I don't want AI to get any foothold whatsoever, but you accept it in some form, you join the trend I oppose and I don't want to associate with you or contribute to the popularity metrics of your product (such as unique downloads).

I don't feel like discussing the merits of either stance, but I hope this helps you understand the premises leading to that conclusion at least.