Comment and thread in question: https://lemmy.world/comment/23138585
Ban from that community, memes@lemmy.ml:
Rule 1 of said community: Be civil and nice.
Rule 1 of said instance: No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.
I was clearly not bigoted in any manner, and I believe more civil than the way I was treated, was it the Code of Conduct? Excerpts:
Please be kind and courteous. There’s no need to be mean or rude.
Respect that people have differences of opinion and that every design or implementation choice carries a trade-off and numerous costs. There is seldom a right answer.
I think I was kind with the people I disagreed with, even if they could not be in return, yet those comments (some including ableist slurs) remain. I think this is enough to demonstrate it is merely a difference in ideology which motivated the ban. Well, bans, because it seems they copied and pasted the same ban in all the communities they have access to:
It's not a general lemmy.ml ban, just those in particular.
I understand this kind of behavior in safe space communities that don't want outsiders bellyaching about the pragmatism of electoral politics, but that's not the case in any of the communities I've been banned from, nor is it a part of the instance rules or CoC.
PTB or triggered shitlib? Not an exclusive or, of course.
lemmy.ml is an instance well-known for being, shall we say… unreasonable when it comes to politics.
The admins and a large portion of the user base are tankies— people who claim to be extreme leftists/communists but really worship the likes of Stalin, Xi and the oppressive authoritarian government of regimes, such as the Soviet Union, China, and North Korea. They are very much intolerant any criticism whatsoever or anyone else’s political views. Unfortunately, the administrators of that instance are also the main developers for Lemmy itself.
This is why ~~the code has been forked to another platform~~ alternatives to lemmy have been developed, such as PieFed, which is federated and interoperates with Lemmy, and is not dependent on the crazy ass developers. It also has better mod and admin features. but even if you don’t wanna switch to PieFed, you can at least avoid communities on Lemmy.ml. I have the whole instance blocked.
piefed is not a fork, it's a completely different codebase. with plenty of its own problems.
oh, my mistake. with a quick google, I see that it's python, not rust, so yeah, obviously not a fork. my mistake!
did you also see the opinionated parts? if you enable the default filter list piefed hides all meme and 4chan communities and enables built in image recognition specifically to prevent people from posting greentexts. it also keeps an internal tally of user "quality" based on what communities they post in.
truly everything is political.
Oh, damn, that "user quality" metric is really messed up
yeah, I don't really consider those to be the "problems" others do, especially since instance admins can simply disable those features.
Same. And like you said its easy to remove for instances. I think its like the third screen when you set up the instance. Im having a wonderful time on piefed and a couple of my PRs were accepted no fuss.
of course they can, just like how the ml admins can choose not to have their weird swearing filter that nobody else uses. but it's still in there and that's what they thought communities wanted. eg, that's what they wanted for their community. point being, no codebase is neutral and i don't know the intent of the piefed dev either.
ok, but, again, I don't view what the piefed dev did as problematic. the lemmy devs? I do find them problematic for many reasons, including the ones I've already mentioned.
so, enough with the whataboutisms
it's not a counter-accusation trying to paint one in a better light than the other. i want none of it, and the fact that the bias is apparently okay as long as the politics are aligned feels pretty shit.
That’s exactly what it is, especially considering your next sentence
What the piefed dev does is include a couple of optional features which can be easily disabled. Just from what I mentioned here, what the Lemmy devs do amounts to their ongoing behavior on their instance and in their communities. The only option is to simply block them and their instance. It’s a matter of who they are. they are definitely not the same thing.
false equivalence
Except when you do the exact same thing by objecting to what the piefed dev does, but it’s OK when the Lemmy devs do it?
Or just that I have an opinion that you disagree with?
Either or both, I think that’s pretty shit
i object to what the lemmy devs do as well.
To be fair, there's a bit of apples-to-oranges here. Rimu's stuff here that you've mentioned is closer to a general 'anti-slop' mentality than being directed to a specific persuasion, at least in the things you referred to. Having it set by default that upvotes in meme communities don't boost your reputation, or blocking greentext isn't something that specifically aligns with a leftist, centrist or rightist template - if that makes sense.
Now, if you want to refer to the default defederation of hexbear, lemmygrad - then sure. That could be argued.
it's the idea of undisclosed opinionated decisions i'm against. i have no issues with opinionated software, as long as those opinions are clearly stated. the behavior of the devs is a different issue to the things they put in their software, and lemmy is less opinionated than piefed. the devs are a lot more opinionated, but that seems to have resulted in more neutral functionality.
Idk if it's "undisclosed" at this point. This stuff is widely known.
yeah but it wasn't when everyone was moving over, it came out later.
But not without defending both of those instances, and you’d be pretty hard-pressed to find a rational argument for that.
Piefed isn't a fork, it's a completely different piece of software using the same protocol.
I don't think the Lemmy Devs have much to do with the bans on that server, it's mostly the community mods.
Dessalines does bans like this all the time.
I've said before that if Dessalines spent half as much time developing the platform instead of banning people for wrongthink, Lemmy would be a much better platform.
Lemmy donations are a scam. People give them all that money, and they use the money to hire full time developers, who spend all day banning people instead of writing code.
I'm not sure where I heard it was a fork, but I'm obviously misremembering.
fixed
It's an easy mistake to make, I only know they're different because piefed is python while Lemmy is rust.
I'm sure I forgot because I'm pretty baked right now, lol