Comment and thread in question: https://lemmy.world/comment/23138585
Ban from that community, memes@lemmy.ml:
Rule 1 of said community: Be civil and nice.
Rule 1 of said instance: No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.
I was clearly not bigoted in any manner, and I believe more civil than the way I was treated, was it the Code of Conduct? Excerpts:
Please be kind and courteous. There’s no need to be mean or rude.
Respect that people have differences of opinion and that every design or implementation choice carries a trade-off and numerous costs. There is seldom a right answer.
I think I was kind with the people I disagreed with, even if they could not be in return, yet those comments (some including ableist slurs) remain. I think this is enough to demonstrate it is merely a difference in ideology which motivated the ban. Well, bans, because it seems they copied and pasted the same ban in all the communities they have access to:
It's not a general lemmy.ml ban, just those in particular.
I understand this kind of behavior in safe space communities that don't want outsiders bellyaching about the pragmatism of electoral politics, but that's not the case in any of the communities I've been banned from, nor is it a part of the instance rules or CoC.
PTB or triggered shitlib? Not an exclusive or, of course.
yeah, I don't really consider those to be the "problems" others do, especially since instance admins can simply disable those features.
Same. And like you said its easy to remove for instances. I think its like the third screen when you set up the instance. Im having a wonderful time on piefed and a couple of my PRs were accepted no fuss.
of course they can, just like how the ml admins can choose not to have their weird swearing filter that nobody else uses. but it's still in there and that's what they thought communities wanted. eg, that's what they wanted for their community. point being, no codebase is neutral and i don't know the intent of the piefed dev either.
ok, but, again, I don't view what the piefed dev did as problematic. the lemmy devs? I do find them problematic for many reasons, including the ones I've already mentioned.
so, enough with the whataboutisms
it's not a counter-accusation trying to paint one in a better light than the other. i want none of it, and the fact that the bias is apparently okay as long as the politics are aligned feels pretty shit.
That’s exactly what it is, especially considering your next sentence
What the piefed dev does is include a couple of optional features which can be easily disabled. Just from what I mentioned here, what the Lemmy devs do amounts to their ongoing behavior on their instance and in their communities. The only option is to simply block them and their instance. It’s a matter of who they are. they are definitely not the same thing.
false equivalence
Except when you do the exact same thing by objecting to what the piefed dev does, but it’s OK when the Lemmy devs do it?
Or just that I have an opinion that you disagree with?
Either or both, I think that’s pretty shit
i object to what the lemmy devs do as well.
To be fair, there's a bit of apples-to-oranges here. Rimu's stuff here that you've mentioned is closer to a general 'anti-slop' mentality than being directed to a specific persuasion, at least in the things you referred to. Having it set by default that upvotes in meme communities don't boost your reputation, or blocking greentext isn't something that specifically aligns with a leftist, centrist or rightist template - if that makes sense.
Now, if you want to refer to the default defederation of hexbear, lemmygrad - then sure. That could be argued.
it's the idea of undisclosed opinionated decisions i'm against. i have no issues with opinionated software, as long as those opinions are clearly stated. the behavior of the devs is a different issue to the things they put in their software, and lemmy is less opinionated than piefed. the devs are a lot more opinionated, but that seems to have resulted in more neutral functionality.
Idk if it's "undisclosed" at this point. This stuff is widely known.
yeah but it wasn't when everyone was moving over, it came out later.
But not without defending both of those instances, and you’d be pretty hard-pressed to find a rational argument for that.