Comment and thread in question: https://lemmy.world/comment/23138585
Ban from that community, memes@lemmy.ml:
Rule 1 of said community: Be civil and nice.
Rule 1 of said instance: No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.
I was clearly not bigoted in any manner, and I believe more civil than the way I was treated, was it the Code of Conduct? Excerpts:
Please be kind and courteous. There’s no need to be mean or rude.
Respect that people have differences of opinion and that every design or implementation choice carries a trade-off and numerous costs. There is seldom a right answer.
I think I was kind with the people I disagreed with, even if they could not be in return, yet those comments (some including ableist slurs) remain. I think this is enough to demonstrate it is merely a difference in ideology which motivated the ban. Well, bans, because it seems they copied and pasted the same ban in all the communities they have access to:
It's not a general lemmy.ml ban, just those in particular.
I understand this kind of behavior in safe space communities that don't want outsiders bellyaching about the pragmatism of electoral politics, but that's not the case in any of the communities I've been banned from, nor is it a part of the instance rules or CoC.
PTB or triggered shitlib? Not an exclusive or, of course.
piefed is not a fork, it's a completely different codebase. with plenty of its own problems.
oh, my mistake. with a quick google, I see that it's python, not rust, so yeah, obviously not a fork. my mistake!
did you also see the opinionated parts? if you enable the default filter list piefed hides all meme and 4chan communities and enables built in image recognition specifically to prevent people from posting greentexts. it also keeps an internal tally of user "quality" based on what communities they post in.
truly everything is political.
Oh, damn, that "user quality" metric is really messed up
It's also fake.
It's a misunderstanding of a setting admins can enable that makes it so meme communities don't add to your karma. That way, you can't karma farm by posting memes.
I'm a piefed admin and My instance has that setting disabled because I like memes.
Not fake when it's in documented code anyone can read, and the creator explicitly states it's fine.
yeah, I don't really consider those to be the "problems" others do, especially since instance admins can simply disable those features.
Same. And like you said its easy to remove for instances. I think its like the third screen when you set up the instance. Im having a wonderful time on piefed and a couple of my PRs were accepted no fuss.
of course they can, just like how the ml admins can choose not to have their weird swearing filter that nobody else uses. but it's still in there and that's what they thought communities wanted. eg, that's what they wanted for their community. point being, no codebase is neutral and i don't know the intent of the piefed dev either.
ok, but, again, I don't view what the piefed dev did as problematic. the lemmy devs? I do find them problematic for many reasons, including the ones I've already mentioned.
so, enough with the whataboutisms
it's not a counter-accusation trying to paint one in a better light than the other. i want none of it, and the fact that the bias is apparently okay as long as the politics are aligned feels pretty shit.
That’s exactly what it is, especially considering your next sentence
What the piefed dev does is include a couple of optional features which can be easily disabled. Just from what I mentioned here, what the Lemmy devs do amounts to their ongoing behavior on their instance and in their communities. The only option is to simply block them and their instance. It’s a matter of who they are. they are definitely not the same thing.
false equivalence
Except when you do the exact same thing by objecting to what the piefed dev does, but it’s OK when the Lemmy devs do it?
Or just that I have an opinion that you disagree with?
Either or both, I think that’s pretty shit
i object to what the lemmy devs do as well.
To be fair, there's a bit of apples-to-oranges here. Rimu's stuff here that you've mentioned is closer to a general 'anti-slop' mentality than being directed to a specific persuasion, at least in the things you referred to. Having it set by default that upvotes in meme communities don't boost your reputation, or blocking greentext isn't something that specifically aligns with a leftist, centrist or rightist template - if that makes sense.
Now, if you want to refer to the default defederation of hexbear, lemmygrad - then sure. That could be argued.
it's the idea of undisclosed opinionated decisions i'm against. i have no issues with opinionated software, as long as those opinions are clearly stated. the behavior of the devs is a different issue to the things they put in their software, and lemmy is less opinionated than piefed. the devs are a lot more opinionated, but that seems to have resulted in more neutral functionality.
Idk if it's "undisclosed" at this point. This stuff is widely known.
yeah but it wasn't when everyone was moving over, it came out later.
But not without defending both of those instances, and you’d be pretty hard-pressed to find a rational argument for that.
Fake news
Based
Fake news.
I'm a PieFed admin and I've read some of the source code, ask Me anything.
so have i, it's in there. again, the filter is not on by default but the preset blocklist includes those communities. and it's called "reputation" in the code.
https://piefed.social/c/lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world
This is lemmyshitpost, a meme community, as viewed from piefed.world. It is also proof that piefed doesn't hide meme communities.
it's only proof that that specific instance hasn't enabled the setting to do so.
It's not even that since it's from lemmy.world not a piefed community
That's the flagship instance. Rimu didn't block meme communities. You've been lied to. If you were right, you'd have evidence.
But you just linked to a lemmy world community not a piefed one.
Piefed bans it from being created when the filter is on. It can't stop or do the image searching if posted on a lemmy instance or if the filter is off.
He blocks the one he thinks are bad not all of them though
No, reputation gain from them is blocked. Not the entire community. There are literally local based piefed.social meme communities.
Unless it's ones from the banned locations like 4chan?
That's more of a specific post restrictions as opposed to communities. But yes, Rimu chose to block a small number of directly 4chan-comms I believe. I think that's just a manual toggle in that any instance owner could choose to just to block a community.
Which is exactly what we're talking about and grail trying to say is fake news https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/25485026
I don't think the default filter "hides" all meme communities. That's just wrong. I don't think it hides any communities. It just designates "meme communities = low-effort". That's it. 4chan@lemmy.world is blocked because rimu manually blocked it, just like how lemmy.world blocked piracy@dbzer0.com.
It's not the communities but the material being blocked when images are scanned.
Seems unnecessary.. The more I learn the worse piefed looks
The original comment was: "piefed hides all meme and 4chan communities". No it doesn't.
Instances can turn it off if they want. Most do. It's just a little tick-box.
So yes it is what it does by default.
Really hope getting paid to be pr for piefed and rimu
God I hope this guy gets paid for all the shilling he does, otherwise why else would he?
They're and admin and staff too
https://piefed.social/u/Skavau
I didn't contest the parts about the image detection or greentext (although again, it's literally just a tickbox). I objected to the claim about "meme and 4chan communities" being blocked. That was the untrue part.
I've only been talking about the image detection though.
Okay, crossed wires then.
Idk, your standard MO is to deflect and obscure anytime anyone questions why something is or was done the way it is.
What? I thought you were also claiming, as the other poster that you referred to claimed that by default piefed blocks "meme and 4chan communities". It does not.
Just talking about how it blocks some images by default.
Although can see how others things they're blocked if the system is designed to push those types of communities