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[–] [email protected] 11 points 15 hours ago

Ah right, thanks. I only searched for "meta", not "announcements" when looking for an answer to my question before posting. But looks like my instance stopped federating that community a year ago anyway.

 

It's been down for me most of today, as far as I can see. Have its admins made any public statements?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago

So, I actually read a bit more from lawyers on musing on this subject. It may have not been the IRC's fault quite so much.

Apparently, the union didn't hire proper lawyers, choosing instead to represent themselves. And apparently their representation basically didn't challenge any of the government's arguments. The government said it would be bad for public health. The union didn't present a single doctor in court to say "no actually, it's not a problem for public safety".

The full text of a particularly interesting comment I read on the subject:I don't practice in industrial law, so maybe the criticism is invalid.

The notifier was to provide any witness statements upon which it would rely by 5pm on 31 March 2025 and the respondent any statements on which it would rely by 10am today.

so ASMOF couldn't get any doctors together between 5pm and 10am to give evidence about the public health effects of the strike

There was no objection to any of the statements and the witnesses were not required for cross-examination. The respondent did not call any evidence in reply.

The impact on patients of such industrial action, including the potential for delays in admission or discharge of patients, delays in elective procedures to permit emergency treatment of otherwise more urgent patients, the possibility of junior doctors or less specialised doctors in a particular field having to treat patients they would not otherwise treat, increased waiting times in the emergency department, longer transfer of care times between ambulance and emergency departments and delayed consultation of patients in wards.

ETA: there is apparently public holiday staffing. I would have made the point that either public holiday staffing is adequate to mitigate risks, or NSW health is lying.

It is unnecessary to go further because the respondent confirms that industrial action is planned. Mr Lisser submitted that the respondent was aware of the risks industrial action may bring within the health system and intended to give notice to the various health entities of the action to be taken in their areas of responsibility on 2 April 2025.

The quote is important in several respects. First, it demonstrates clearly the respondent has a direct role in organising and coordinating the industrial action. Second, it demonstrates an awareness that minimum staffing may not be met without the respondent’s intervention to direct people to work. Third, it demonstrates that it is discouraging members from advising local management of the scope of industrial action to be taken in their areas.

The union's executive officer accepted that there were risks.

The respondent accepts those propositions. Indeed, it accepts that orders will be made. The respondent argues, however, that the extent of those orders should be reduced. I have understood that to mean that the reference to “members” should be removed from the orders sought. The difficulty with that proposition is, as Mr Lisser submitted, the members are the union. He also submits that the life of the orders should be reduced to one week in lieu of three months.

It basically caved to the orders.

Unless this was a deliberate strategy to say 'look at us, we're so tough, we won't give in to the IRC's orders', I can't imagine why you would run a case like this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Right, but this comes down to that same discussion I alluded to but largely wanted to avoid (due to irrelevance) about whether the downvote is for disliking content, or whether it should only ever be for off-topic and spam. You're just never going to get a situation where people stop using it for content they dislike.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is it? It's already been established elsewhere in this thread that there's a pyramid of users. The majority lurk. The cast majority of what's left only ever vote. The majority of the rest only comment. And only a small fraction actually create posts. We're not going to change that just by hoping.

But you're right, it would be better if they posted. And that's why I suggested DMing them to initiate a conversation. I'd ask them if they could post more of their own stuff.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In the case you describe, I think it'd be appropriate for a mod of the targeted community to ban them

I thought that at first too, but I recently thought of a counterexample, so I'm not so sure. See my top-level comment if you're interested.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (6 children)

My initial reaction when I read your posts was 100% support for banning them. They'd be better off blocking the community so it never shows up in their feed. But in the hours since, a counter argument occurred to me that I'd like to present.

Lemmy is, as many have said, still a relatively young and small platform. The range of content on it is limited not just by what subjects have communities, but what the individuals posting in those communities happen to be interested enough in to share.

A user might not want to block a community because they do like the subject of that community and want to read about it. But maybe only one user is actively posting content, and the subset of interest in the subject for user A just doesn't match the subset of user B. Naturally, they end up downvoting all the content at present. Where in a hypothetical that there were hundreds of active users posting in that community, the user would only downvoted a small fraction.

As a hypothetical, imagine I create a !classicalmusic community. I'm a big fan of classical music, especially Beethoven and the Romantics. I post a heap of discussion about Romantic theory, recordings of Beethoven Symphonies, Rachmaninoff Sonatas, etc. Because it's a small community, I'm the only one posting.

Then you come along, a huge Bach fan. You don't mind some Classical era stuff like Mozart and Haydn, but you can't stand the Romantic era. You downvote everything I post.

In my opinion, unless you want to get even more into the weeds and enforce the idea of "downvotes are only for off-topic and spam content, not for dislike" (which, I agree in theory is how the best users treat it, but let's be honest…it doesn't happen in practice), I don't think I should ban you.

Maybe I could send off a DM asking you to explain your downvotes, and I would ban you if you came back and said "I don't want to see classical music in my feed" (along with a recommendation that you use the block feature). And I'd try to encourage you to participate more in submitting the stuff you do want to see. But an attempt to figure things out some other way would be better than a ban, in that case.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wait, can mods see who voted on posts? I thought only admins could!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I doubt anyone would ever object to banning for the behaviour you described here. But unless I'm way off base, I don't think that's what OP is talking about.

What you're talking about is basically inauthentic behaviour. Maybe it's a bot, maybe it's a real person deliberately interfering with a community using sock puppet accounts. What I think OP is talking about is a real user using the platform in an essentially honest way, but which happens to involve downvoting all the posts from one community. There could be a few reasons behind that, such as the example OP described of a user who actually has no interest in ever seeing the community, but doesn't know how or doesn't think to block the community. On all other communities, their behaviour appears totally normal.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fructose consumed by real fruits is good.

Fruits are pretty good because they contain important micronutrients and fibre. But the fructose they contain is still just sugar, and not a whole lot better in its own right than the sugar in lollies and biscuits.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I can think of a few downsides. Definitely not all equally weighted.

  • Poor discoverability. I doubt many people are finding us on Google, but any who do would be unable anymore.
  • Inability to send people links. This also hurts discoverability from being able to send people a link for them to check out.
  • Problems with linking federation. At the moment, there's no way to link to a specific post or comment in a way that users of other instances can see it on their instance. So most of the time, the best option is to link it in your own instance, and they can view it read-only in your instance. T his would break that.
  • Problems for cross-posts with bodies. Related to the above, when using "cross-post" on a post with a text body, a link is provided to link back to the original. This link will be useless if the instance is private.
[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Let me guess, some cis people with gender neutral names like Taylor and Alex and Kirby were being misgendered because of it?

Edit: well, the official reason is that there's a law that bans them from banning it, passed in 2023.

"may not require or prohibit a member of the armed forces or a civilian employee of the Department of Defense to identify the gender or personal pronouns of such member or employee in any official correspondence of the Department."

Guess rule of law isn't completely gone then.

^Just mostly^

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What did they do? The robotised a lot of it.

They're also gradually moving out of China to other places like India and Vietnam.

 

I wanted to like it. I expected to like it. One or two of the guests have been pretty funny, but most of them have not, and the Establishment have been especially unfunny, particularly Rachel Coster, who is just straight-up obnoxious.

There's a lot of loud shouting. A lot of nonsensical off-topic comments. Way too many references that seem hyper-specific to America or even New York City. The latter of those might play well in the room of the NY standup scene, but it was a terrible idea for a show being designed to be broadcast around the world on Nebula.

idk maybe it's an American vs non-American humour thing?

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