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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 108 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Even if there was none of the evidence ("Krasnov" codenames claim, etc) the fact that at every turn he does exactly what Putin and the Russian oligarchs want and is actively harming the US and other western countries means everyone needs to treat him like he's a Russian asset. It almost doesn't even matter if he officially is or not...

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 52 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yup. He is an asset to Russia whether or not he is a willing asset.

[–] ploot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The only question is whether he knows he's a Russian asset. Trump may be working for them without realizing it. All Putin would have to do is convince him he was just giving him advice, one wise ruler to another, because Trump is special and brilliant, and provide a few incentives. Trump would believe that taking the advice was all his own brilliant idea.

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well he is 'a very stable genius'.

Does it matter for treason if he himself is aware?

[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think as we've seen multiple times treason doesn't count for Trumpler period.

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I agree. Not saying it did. Currently he seems to not have any legal issues in that regard or is seen as such.

History will tell though.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Yeah, the Krasnov stuff is somewhat funny in a dark way, but he definitely serves Russian good over US good, whether he’s an official asset or not. If his actions are treasonous, does it matter whether he’s been recruited?

[–] theherk@lemmy.world 89 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is so stupid. He is an asset, whether intentionally or not. Russian media is having a heyday with him. Whether he is an "agent" or not remains ambiguous, but he is absolutely an "asset" to them.

[–] ChillPill@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

A distinction without a difference?

[–] theherk@lemmy.world 38 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Assets don't have to have be in on it intentionally. A tank is an asset. A forest at the border can be an asset. But to be an agent takes volition and consensual involvement.

[–] ChillPill@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Oh I agree. I'm just saying that whether there is intent there or not doesn't really make much if any difference to the outcome.

[–] Chewget@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] overload@sopuli.xyz 1 points 9 months ago

If he's getting played by Russia and he doesn't know it, he is an asset but not an agent. We all know how retarded Trump is, I think it's possible that he's not a literal agent.

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 68 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"possibility".. as if there is any doubt

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 48 points 9 months ago (1 children)

As an American who remembers 2016-2020.....

NO FUCKING SHIT, SHERLOCK

[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

I mean yeah, but at least the rest of the world is calling it out this time around. America fell, but they can pull together and be stronger for it.

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

Earlier this morning a coworker mentioned politicians wearing their corporate sponsors like NASCAR drivers. This was my response:

[–] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 24 points 9 months ago

Not really much to consider. Seems pretty obvious at the point.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Possibility? Whether or not the fucking KGB really recruited Krasnov, the mofo is definitely a Russian asset.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Yeah, when the Krasnov thing first got published, I said something to the effect of, "I would skeptical of explosive, unverified claims like this because they may be disinformation, and either way there's more than enough evidence that Putin has control of Trump." Then someone accused me of being a Russian asset because everyone has brain poisoning now.

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The odds Trump isn't a Russian operative are far far far less than the odds that he is a Russian operative.

[–] Floon@lemmy.ml 14 points 9 months ago

If he’s not a Russian asset, he’s working for them pro bono.

[–] Devanismyname@lemmy.ca 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If they're saying this out loud, then they have been considering it for a while.

[–] meowmeowbeanz@sopuli.xyz 11 points 9 months ago

From ‘America First’ to ‘Russia First’? Stuart’s theory raises uncomfortable questions.

🐱🐱🐱🐱

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago

We have been saying this over and over again. He is a Nazi and he is Putin’s puppet.

[–] DirkMcCallahan@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Didn't anyone with a brain figure this out about a decade ago?

[–] ploot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I think many people figured it out in 1987 when he went to Moscow and then ran full-page newspaper ads demanding the USA turn on its allies.

When a Young Trump Went to Russia

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

I mean, the only question at this point is really whether he was one before he ran the first time or if that happened later.

[–] Tangentism@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago

Maybe they should try looking a bit closer to home with that they were rescued from bankruptcy by Russian oligarch donations and one of their favoured sons awarded a position in the House of Lords to the billionaire son of a former KGB director!

[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

I’ve just noticed….what the fuck even is his signature? It begins and ends with an A…Auld BussyynnA

[–] LuckyPierre@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

You can bet the Five Eyes are already redacting what they share with the USA

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

What, does the UK want to go to war with the combined might of the USA and the USSR?!

[–] phubarr@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Doesn't anyone remember the veiled threat Putin publicly gave Trump when he took office again? It was something along the lines of Putin re-emphasizing who was truly in charge... as if he had some kind of blackmail on Trump.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

Like the Tories weren't a hop skip and a jump away from him before Reform split their vote.

[–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, why does it matter? Why not just focus on his policy and his actions? Trump is a fascist, oppressing liberties, defunding public services, and carrying out immensely harmful policy. Why the need to attribute that to a third country? Trump is only bad if he does these things because he's a Russian asset? If he did this all because of his oligarch friends, and the desire for imperialism in the USA, and the increasingly openly right wing governments in all of the western world, it would still all be wrong.

There's no need to summon le evil people from the east to objectively analyse the evil policy of Trump, and I don't understand why you guys need a racist dogwhistle to do so when he is literally every single day walking alongside someone who did two fascist salutes in the inauguration.

[–] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If this Russian support structure isn’t recognized and dealt with, Trump just be replaced by the next Russian stooge.

[–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com -2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Trump was democratically elected, what are your plans against that?

[–] Saryn@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So was Hitler. Thing is, natural law and positive law can diverge significantly, meaning ctitizens will sometimes have to organize against the products of positive law to preserve their decency and freedom.

[–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com -2 points 9 months ago

Hitler never won absolute majority vote in an election, but I get your point.

I agree fundamentally with what you say even if I don't believe in a natural law, that's why I'm a socialist. So I suggest everyone to organise, to unionize their workplace, to build mutual aid structures in their local areas, and to join a revolutionary socialist party.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

In a broken system full of voter suppression. Not exactly a fair election by any stretch of the imagination.

[–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com -2 points 9 months ago

...which the democrats upheld during the entirety of the elections. Are the Russians behind the dems too?