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USA | Transgender woman sues Trump over transfer to men's prison (www.rawstory.com)
submitted 1 year ago by floofloof@lemmy.ca to c/news@lemmy.world
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/30921075

A transgender woman inmate serving her sentence in a women's federal prison sued the Trump administration on Sunday, arguing that Republican U.S. President Donald Trump's recent executive order narrowly defining sex violates the Constitution's ban on cruel and unusual punishment, is "motivated by discriminatory animus" toward trans people, and forces "dangerous transfers to men's facilities."

Case file: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mad.280082/gov.uscourts.mad.280082.1.0.pdf

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[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 127 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And it's not like it's easy for a trans woman to get into a woman's prison anyway. The vast majority of trans women were already held in male prisons. This order affects mostly people who have all their legal documents changed, have been on hormones for years, and have had surgery. You're talking about people that if you met them on the street, you would assume they were cis women. Hell, you would suspect they were cis women if you saw them on a nude beach. Before this executive order, you pretty much had to be that far in transition before you would be allowed to serve your time in a women's prison.

Also, hormones for trans people aren't just about psychological well being. If you're post-bottom surgery, your body doesn't produce sex hormones anymore. A post-op trans women needs to take estrogen, not just for her own psychological well being, but for basic metabolic functioning. Being without sex hormones causes all sorts of medical problems, such as rapid early onset osteoporosis.

The BOP is telling trans women, "because of my religion, we're going to melt your bones."

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

your body doesn’t produce sex hormones anymore.

The fact that I've had to have this conversation with doctors...

No I'm not trying to "DIY Hormones" or trick you, I'll literally die without more estradial

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 98 points 1 year ago (3 children)

In a men's prison, Maria Moe will also be at high risk of worsening gender dysphoria, which can lead to serious physical and mental health conditions including severe depression and suicidality

It takes a true fucking savage to know this and concluding "that's not my problem, let them commit suicide"

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On the bright side, they're as stupid as they are evil and egotistical. If Trump had just back channeled this and let wardens do this on a case by case basis the prison litigation "reform" act Clinton signed into law would've pretty much guaranteed it would be numerous years and countless opportunities for staff retaliation before any of these people could get a claim into Federal court, but by involving himself he probably just blew up that whole scheme.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Thanks for that perspective. Small wins, I suppose.

[–] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They probably see it as a good thing. Another dirty crook off the face of the Earth.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They don't mind crooks. It's trans people they hate.

[–] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

I dunno man, they seem to hyperfixate on the death penalty and "law and order" a little too much.

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The only correct response is to make a trans only prison. /s

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

What in concentration’

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not that I think it's the best solution, since the best solution would be to accept trans women as women and trans men as men, but they would probably get a hell of a lot less mistreatment.

[–] forrgott@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

Not in our society. The worst of the worst would be hired there, and if/when people try to speak out it would be ignored.

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If I was a trans man I would rather go to women's prison to be honest.

[–] answersplease77@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

everyone would rather go to the women's prison

[–] teslasaur@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, yes? That would make sense.

Or a prison for everyone.

[–] kadotux@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess because of the US prison system, more trans people would then be incentivized to be incarcarated which is really bad especially in combination of recent law adjustments regarding trans people?

  1. let's make LBGTQ illegal
  2. lets create for-profit prisons exclusively for trans people
  3. concentration camps would not be too far-fetched then
[–] teslasaur@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think most people would be satisfied with trans, and particularly trans-women that went through male puberty, were incarcarated away from women.

But logically, there are only two ways to make it "fair".

Either make separate jails for trans, or put everyone in the same jail. The second one would be incredibly detrimental for women and trans, as male prisoners would be in the same prison. I dont think i need to elaborate.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 9 points 1 year ago

Why do we even have men's prisons if we're all legally female now?