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    Linus does not fuck around (lemmy.one)
    submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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    An oldie, but a goodie

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    [–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I feel it's equally important to point ot that Torvalds recognized his toxic behavior, apologized for it, and took steps to rectify it.

    In an email to the Linux Kernel Mailing List, which also addresses the kernel update of Linux 4.19-rc4, Torvalds writes: "I need to change some of my behavior, and I want to apologize to the people that my personal behavior hurt and possibly drove away from kernel development entirely."

    "I am going to take time off and get some assistance on how to understand people's emotions and respond appropriately."

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    That was seriously admirable. From memory he actually did improve quite a lot after that as well.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

    I've heard he's not perfect but he doesn't lose his temper anymore and has only gotten better with age. I respect anyone who can self reflect and introspect and come out a better person.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Yeah, shouting at your subordinates in public is utter bullshit.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    So is breaking the userspace

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So two wrongs make a right? Or could this have been a civil private email instead? And if civil private conversations aren't working, then it's time to part ways.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    This probably helped others not to make the same mistake

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Of working with Linus? Yes, it probably did.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

    What? I'm talking about breaking userspace?

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    A civil public email would have been fine.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

    Acceptable, yes. But a good manager knows not to shine a spotlight on the mistakes of the team. There's nothing to gain keeping it public that you wouldn't also gain by keeping it private. But your team's morale is kept high if you sing their praises instead of their shortcomings.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

    Not going to touch the general toxicity as it's something Linus has already apologized and worked through with professional help, but I love the attitude when it comes to responsibility.
    Far too often it's easier to blame someone else for error.

    "No this is our problem, and I'm ashamed you're trying to blame someone else for it" is respectable take

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

    Like, I get how it's funny, but I would hate to get this kind of shit from someone I respect. Would really mess me up, personally

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So I recently had a conversation with some who though Linus Torvalds (kernel) and Linus Sebastian (Linus Tech Tips) was the same person.
    That was a pretty funny and confusing conversation.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

    Imagine Torwalds doing reviews of old CPU coolers and completely losing his shit 🀣🀣🀣

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    The trick is to listen to the pronunciation. Linus of LTT pronounces it as Linus, while Linus of Torvalds uses either Linus or Linus, but he doesn't mind if people call him Linus.

    /s

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

    "You are HIV aladeen"

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

    I feel like people are overlooking the fact that this is typical early internet behavior lol.

    I get that its the linux kernel mailing list, but I'm pretty sure Linus was way more wild online than in person because that's how public internet forums and IRC used to be like.

    Stallman has also said some equally braindead stuff lol.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

    I wonder if the guys here who are moaning like the snowflakes they are about Linus' way of conveying the message (not the message itself) are from the US? I sometimes really wonder about the US mindset. The boss is critisizing you justifyably but in an inadequate tone? Hell breaks lose. But as an employee insisting on healthcare, an adequate number of days on paid time off, unionazing or at least have an able workers' representation? Nah, that's unheard of.

    How about having some priorities? Grow a pair and chose your battles more wisely. The boss criticizes you? If he's right, own up to your mistakes. Want some rights you are actually entitled to? Yeah, that's what you fight for.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Yeah, those mailing lists used to have some quite funny stuff; my favorite so far is smth along the lines of "whoever thought this was a good idea should be retroactively aborted".

    But, on the other hand, damn it's toxic. Should've really sucked to work on the kernel back then.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I was curious as I couldn't help but laugh, but damn dude. That is rough. Hilarious looking at it now, but I feel bad for whomever was at the receiving end.

    Of course, I'd also suggest that whoever was the genius who thought it was a good idea to read things ONE FUCKING BYTE AT A TIME with system calls for each byte should be retroactively aborted. Who the fuck does idiotic things like that? How did they not die as babies, considering that they were likely too stupid to find a tit to suck on?

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

    That's some quality venom.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    What a toxic ass message. If he was my boss I would not tolerate this. It's weird how many dickriders here are defending him here

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    For sure. It's funny in a way, but this is not a great way to treat folks that are trying to contribute, often on their own time. This could have been rephrased in so many other ways where Linus doesn't come off as a total jerk, and still be "right" with the same message.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    No one is arguing that Linus isnt a total jerk.

    Just like Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and even Ol Musky...

    We can be better. We can both be a community that is extremely direct with our core values and code it well, but we can also treat people right.

    It's a reality in many places. And it's thanks to the many many many assholes that I listed above that brought this change.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn't know better, either, he's a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Neat.

    Linus could also be kinder.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn't mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don't calm down as easily.