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This Microsoft outage being the last drop in the bucket, I'm looking to get my email/calendar/contacts somewhere under my control.

As I already self-host a number of things (e.g. my Linux ISO collection), and have services exposed to the internet, it would make sense to run it at home.

After all, it's not heavy lifting. It's not hosting 500+ mailboxes for 100+ people. It's just little old me, with a handful of domains, catch-all receiving and a few dedicated sending addresses.

However email is a bit more mission critical than my smarthome control or self hosted LLMs. Downtime could be critically bad, and I still don't trust my home setup to be truly 99.999999% available.

I don't mind paying for a service but if I do I'd prefer something European, given I'm based in the UK (and otherwise am an EU citizen).

I'm really curious how y'all solve it. I guess I'm interested in some kind of hybrid solution where there's my own server and a hosted service, latter which acts as a backup solution, but still fully synced, so if my internet or power goes out (or my server goes down), I can still get mail sent and delivered.

So I'm not only just interested in the stack you run for email but the entire infrastructure, especially if you've solved this sort of off-site fallback service.

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[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Just a mailbox at IONOS for 1x Busimess plan and 25 free (2gb) mailbox.
Costs me 7€ per month. And so far almost zero downtime.

[–] Magnum@infosec.pub 3 points 6 hours ago

What the fuck you are paying 7 Euro PER MONTH for your mailbox?

[–] christov@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Agree with most folks here, mail is too hard to self host because of the control larger providers hold around acceptance rules. I use zoho for my email, been pretty solid so far though I'm sure there are others. I use nextcloud for contacts, tried using nextcloud for calendar but had trouble getting it to send invites to people so I just use zoho for calendar as well now.

Off site fallback I sync email, calendar and contacts to multiple machines but I also use back blaze as an off site cloud backup. One day I'll get around to syncing the emails to my home server and also backing those up to backblaze.

This is all for personal use though, if I was doing anything enterprise or mission critical I'd just pay another provider to do it who isn't a vibe coded nonsense factory.

[–] dihutenosa@piefed.social 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I self-host it with https://gitlab.com/simple-nixos-mailserver/nixos-mailserver.

  • I had to set it up with all these SPF and DKIM and DMARC stuff. Wasn't too hard, just follow the guide. Test with GMail - the message details view says exactly what you have, what you haven't, and what's wrong.
  • Every now and then I have to jump through some hoops to get my IP allowlisted in some weird provider or antispam system.

Email is a very old protocol, it originates from the time when computers were connected only occasionally. It is very much possible to come an agreement to power up the antennas at something o'clock every day to exchange emails, and the rest of the time they just sit in the queue.

Practically speaking, if your home lab is down for something like 12h, it should not impact email delivery much at all - the sending servers would just keep retrying. Usually for 48h. From https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5321#section-4.5.4.1

mail that cannot be transmitted immediately MUST be queued and periodically retried by the sender.

The sender MUST delay retrying a particular destination after one attempt has failed.

Retries continue until the message is transmitted or the sender gives up; the give-up time generally needs to be at least 4-5 days.

Microsoft documents this: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/defender-office-365/mail-flow-about#mail-flow-delivery-faq

Deferred messages remain in our queues for one day.

I guess technically they're RFC-compliant, but 1 day is not as much as I'd like...

[–] northertech@fedia.io 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Were you actually able to get good domain reputation with your sever on a residential ip?

[–] dihutenosa@piefed.social 3 points 10 hours ago

No idea. I keep hearing the term, "IP reputation", but I don't know any official registry where I could look up mine.

  • I can deliver to GMail, because I set up SPF, DKIM, DMARC, and that special GMail-only TXT record in DNS: "google-site-verification=<base64-or-what>"
  • I can deliver to Outlook, because I registered by IP in https://check.spamhaus.org/
  • Every now and then, I encounter a new, weird and wonderful kind of spam protection, and I have to figure out how to get my IP listed in the "known legit email servers"

All told, I can deliver email, AFAICT. If it lands in spam, well, tough luck - email from large providers also does.

[–] ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago

I’m going back to my KISS mindset.

I got the Mozilla ThunderMail invite and using ThinderBird for the client. It’s all basic, direct and just works.

[–] tatterdemalion@programming.dev 4 points 13 hours ago
  1. Get cheap Hetzner VPS with redundant volume.
  2. Get a domain name.
  3. Run Stalwart for you mail server.
  4. Run Bulwark for your inbox web app.
  5. Run Kanidm for an identity provider.
  6. Configure these DNS records: MX, SPF, DKIM and DMARC

There are more details, but those are the basics.

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 8 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I'm hosting my own, on a dedicated Hetzner server (used for a bunch of stuff, "dedicated" as in "only me on the hardware"), using nixos-mailserver.

I've a 10/10 score on all the spam tests / deliverability tests I could find. The only deliverability issue I've ever had is t-online, but only because they require you to apply for being allowlisted, lmao. (Was one quick email to do that though, so... fine.)

It's been a couple of years of smooth sailing now, so I'm not super worried anymore; esp. in the beginning though, it was a bit anxiety-inducing (and I did cause some downtime by fucking up my bootloader and needing a KVM from Hetzner at one point, that was a very sweaty evening not least because the email address I had put for contact info was, well, handled by the server that was down. Btw Hetzner email you the link to your KVM. Fun times!).

Anyways: I'm really happy with my setup now, in all aspects. Calendar and contacts self-hosting is also great.

But, just so you know: you will not be able to do this on your residential IP. Doesn't matter how hard you try, it will not work. You'll be able to receive emails no problem, but if you're lucky you'll end up in people's spam folder. More likely, the recipient server will just outright reject or discard your mail.

[–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

How much do you spend on the hetzner service?

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

~46€/month for the server via their server auctions (triple 512GB SSDs in a zpool, 64GB RAM, i7-7700, in their German datacenter with unlimited Gbit internet.... not too shabby!) . Unfortunately, looking at them now, they've shot up in price (wonder why... 🙄).

That's overkill though. As long as you can get something with full root access and a dedicated IP (which includes their VPS offerings, I am pretty sure), you're good.

I know everyone is already glazing Hetzner, but let me just add to the pile... I've been customer at a lot of (mostly web, sometimes vps)-hosters over the years, but I don't think I'll ever switch away from Hetzner again. Even if they raise prices further. They give you full control, don't try to upsell, and more importantly, have excellent support.

As others have mentioned, hosters often block outgoing email ports. This includes Hetzner. Sent them an email, 5min later, ports are open. Need a KVM? Press a button, it'll be ready in a couple of minutes, once a technician has walked over to your machine and plugged it in. Are you as stupid as I am and have no access to the email account receiving the KVM link? Call support, no queue, immediate problem resolution. One of the SSDs looks like it's gonna give out soon? Press a button in the dashboard, a technician will come around in a couple of minutes and swap the drive, free of charge.

IDK it just feels like I'm getting enterprise support for consumer prices.

Also I just now realize you only asked for a price, so everything beyond the first sentence is just me rambling.

[–] tatterdemalion@programming.dev 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I sure hope you're using that for a lot more than email.

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 3 points 13 hours ago

Yes, I am 😄

Though I originally did get this for email. Wanted a dedicated server with triple SSDs for redundancy, and the i7+64G was the cheapest option!

Ah, different times.

But yes, I'm regularly maxing out CPU + RAM for hours on end.

[–] tatterdemalion@programming.dev 1 points 13 hours ago

I also self-host email on a Hetzner VPS. I pay about 9 Euros/Month.

[–] lsjw96kxs@sh.itjust.works 4 points 13 hours ago

Mail is a piece of software I won't bother self-hosting. I already tried, put in it a lot of time, trying to get my IP address considered safe because it was banned 15 years before I had it, to only have a third of my mail sent successfully received. It is not worth the effort and I switched to proton and recently to infomaniak.

[–] 31ank@ani.social 61 points 1 day ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (4 children)

Mail is something I don't want to touch. I use mailbox which is hosted in germany for some years now. For calendar & contacts I use the built-in Nextcloud apps, they also work pretty well

Edit: I self-host Nextcloud, so contacts & calender are on my private server

[–] Esjott@feddit.org 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Same here in terms of don’t want to touch mail. I use migadu, swiss company hosting in france. Works flawlessly. There was a good blogpost some time ago comparing mail services, let me check.. there it is: Blogpost

[–] NanoooK@sh.itjust.works 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Where did you find where are they hosted? I couldn't find it on their website last ve looked them up. Too bad they only accept $, I had considered them heavily because I like their mindset regarding inbox/folder.

I went with Soverin to have unlimited alias included in my plan.

[–] Esjott@feddit.org 2 points 14 hours ago

https://www.migadu.com/procon/#in-switzerland-but-servers-are-not

In Switzerland, but servers are not

This may come as a surprise, but we do not host our servers in Switzerland. Current data centers are located in France. We may in the near future add Swiss data centers too but this is not our priority.

We find EU privacy laws much more elaborate and restrictive than the Swiss ones. Switzerland used to be famous for banking secrecy, but that has nothing to do with digital data.

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[–] mattof@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 11 hours ago

Mailo.com is a privacy friendly email provider in France. As far as I know they do only email.

Recently they upped the prices a bit, my account is from before that, and payed 60 euro for five years.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 16 hours ago

Iirc hosting your own mailboxes is easy. Making sure others can actually get your sent emails is a pain in the arse. It's a cartel.

[–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 5 points 17 hours ago

One thing you should know, the SMTP protocol is designed to work with intermittent network connections like modem, each email has several days of grace period, with many retries, so you don't need 99.999% uptime.

[–] oddsys@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

Hosting in Aus, dovecot + postfix. It's been solid.

[–] tacogoon@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I've self-hosted email for over 20 years but I'm now moving to Fastmail for two reasons: (1) succession, I'm the only one in my house that understands how it works, and (2) email is never fully under your control and the large providers may decide to filter/drop email from your domain. But this is self-hosted, and I did enjoy my years doing it, so go for it if you want. I had good luck with OpenBSD/OpenSMTPD/Dovecot stack. Good luck!

Edit: I forgot to mention you can do a hybrid approach; handle receiving yourself and use a service like smtp2go.com to do delivery.

[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

I selfhost. My ISP has a mail relay so it doesn't appear to come from my residential IP. The problem is that the relay is on more blacklists than I am.

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[–] Brewchin@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago

I self-host a metric fuck tonne of services and (with my extensive email background) I choose to outsource my email services.

You CAN do it today. But should you? Given DMARC, SPF, etc... No.

Since I left Gmail's free GAFYD feature, I moved to Fastmail (Australian) years ago. Does it cost money? Yes. Does it do everything I want? Yes. Does it have features Google would never provide? Yes.

Do I have any reservations or regrets? No.

[–] gopher@programming.dev 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I run mailcow on a vps on a smaller, reputable, European host. I started out with Hetzner but there I had problems with delivery due to a bad neighbourhood. It really helps with a host that cares and take abuse seriously.

After moving it's mostly been good. I don't have any issues with outgoing mail, all seems to land fine on both gmail/outlook etc. It's pretty low effort, just need to stay on top of upgrades since there are internet exposed services.

Here is also a good post about best practice for smaller servers: https://bridge.grumpy-troll.org/2020/07/small-mailserver-bcp/

I have a filter that encrypts all incoming mail with my pgp public key, for added security (this is not bullet proof as it has to sit after rspamd but should make it harder to read any mails in case of any kinds of breaches).

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Best I can figure, choose a company that has well established general hosting services and get email through them.

It's going ro be really interesting to see if Thunderbird is able to make a good alternative. I really like the direction they are going, but time will tell if is sustainable for them and users alike.

Personally, I'm using Hostinger, which is reasonable and reliable.

Some people are relying on specialty private email providers like Proton or Tuta, but I have a big dose of skepticism. Lots of people are canceling their Proton subscriptions, and Tuta depends on using their clients because of the secure way it's built.

I would not be interested in attempting to self-host email. The service itself is trivial for an experienced network person (which I'm not), but the big picture is impossibly complex. There is a complicated and somewhat opaque reputation system that will arbitrarily block a lot of self-hosted email services. Some people have found ways to make it work, but it always seems pretty tenuous to me.

As far as email archiving, I highly recommend self-hosted Bichon, which I have run for a while and love it. I keep a few months of email locally, and the rest is on my server backup. It's straightforward to setup and use, fast searches, easy automations, etc.

As others have said, radicale is excellent for hosting calendar and contacts through CalDAV and CardDAV. I've used it exclusively for a while and never had an issue. The formats are pretty standard, so you more or less get your choice of client on any system.

[–] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Self-hosting email is like making your own butter.

It’s possible, but most people don’t want to take it on themselves.

Calendar and contacts I’d argue are good candidates to self host. If a config is off and you can’t access them for a day or two, does it matter?

But if email is down, you risk missing something important. If you have a trust issue and everything you send is getting flagged as spam? Hard and slow to fix.

If the problem you’re trying to solve is Flaky and Unethical Big Tech, I would look at finding another, smaller provider and paying for it. Rolling it yourself is a great way to learn entirely too much about mail servers and spending way too much of your free time on it.

[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

Servers retry delivery. It needs to be offline for a while before you miss stuff.

Receiving everything is the easy bit. It's sending that's hard. Every recipient is looking for a reason to spambox you.

[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I host my email, just not at home but on a rented server.

Here I documented it all https://wiki.gardiol.org/4-e-mail-hosting

It works, its been working for decades now. Never had significant issues....

Email is quite resilient. Servers keep trying to send again and again messages for hours before they give up... So a backup server is not even really required.

[–] TheMightyCat@ani.social 2 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I host my email on a hetzner VPS using dovecot+postfix and thus far no issues.

I don't really understand why people are so against it, for me it took an evening to set up and haven't touched its configuration since.

[–] IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 1 points 12 hours ago

I do excactly this too. My personal domain has been around since 2008 and my setup has a few domains from friends too. I'm running ispconfig to manage the whole mess and it's really not that difficult. Getting your server removed from blocklists every now and then is annoying but at least my emails aren't feeding some marketing machine and, at least for the last 24 hours, my service availability is better than Microsoft can do.

[–] Theoriginalthon@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

Just make you you have the configuration somewhere else, and more importantly why you chose those options. Other wise like me you will spend hours looking though the config files trying to find out what you did years ago.

[–] comrademiao@piefed.social 3 points 20 hours ago

Thank you for posting this as I was not being able to access my work email was some internal issue. I would never have know as I cannot receive an update email!

[–] drkt@scribe.disroot.org 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

If incoming emails bounce, normal email servers will see that and retry later. Not that I personally deal with email- I outsource it to Disroot.org :)

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[–] 0x0@infosec.pub 3 points 20 hours ago

I picked mailbox.org, configured it once and havent thought much about it since then, almost 2 years ago now

This post was a great reminder, i should probably reup my subscription soon..

[–] manwichmakesameal@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I repeatedly see people saying "don't host your own mailserver". So what are we supposed to do? Just give up and let megacorps own all of our mail? I get it, it goes to those servers anyways. F-that. I'm not giving up yet another service to them. Personally, I have a VPS with racknerd and use docker mail server. Been using it for a couple years now and no issues so far. Just make sure your DKIM/SPF records are good.

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 1 points 10 hours ago

Just give up and let megacorps own all of our mail?

But there's no shortage of email providers who aren't megacorps.

As long as you own the domain and have an archive of all your mail past and present in your own storage, does it really matter whose server you currently use to send and receive the email?

I see email as a carrier service, like the broadband line or the mobile service. They move the messages through, it doesn't matter who they are (privacy withstanding, as with any carrier).

[–] eksb@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago

I have run my own mail server for 20+ years. I set up everything correctly, including DKIM and DMARC. I have had the same IPs for 10 years. I send <100 emails a month. A few years ago Google started putting most of my emails in spam, and Microsoft started silently deleting them. They will not fix it. I had to start paying for a relay for outgoing messages.

Use migadu.com.

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 4 points 23 hours ago

I use Radicale for my calendars and contacts as basically every program, app or device can handle caldav/carddav.

Self-hosting email however is too painful. Not that it isn't easy on principle... but because the basics are simple all the big mail providers have developed a lot of ways to automatically filter out all those quickly put up mail servers mainly used to distribute spam. So having your own mail server while also constantly jumping through all the hoops so your mails are actually received is barely worth it.

[–] oantby@lemmy.today 2 points 20 hours ago

I (not EU) self host my email on a vultr VPS. I use the classic dovecot + postfix setup, IMAP for clients, spamd (spamassassin) for extra filtering, etc., etc.. I've got SPF+DKIM+DMARC, a couple different domains, the whole nine yards, just for hobbying that's grown over the years for family members.

All that said, unless you're pretty dang familiar with all those things, I personally would agree with the several people who have just pointed to smaller-time email providers that support custom domain names. It gives you the control to pull it back to your own server later if you want to take on that endeavor (via simply DNS updates), but means you don't have to worry about the complex bits now. I would definitely not recommend hosting it in your own home - not because of availability issues or anything like that (as others mentioned, legitimate email providers retry by policy, so you don't need quad-nine uptime), but because most residential IPs, at least by default, are going to get blocked by most providers for being on a common policy blocklist - that is, your ISP likely tells e.g. spamhaus that your IP is residential and shouldn't be sending email. If you have a business internet plan, that changes. And I could also be wrong for UK; I've just got US knowledge on that particular bit.

If you're familiar with all the bits of SPF, DKIM, and DMARC and want to go for it, a VPS would be my recommendation. Note: many block outbound to port 25 by default to prevent spam bots abusing their IPs, so you'll need to keep that in consideration. Otherwise, one of the email providers mentioned is probably a good bet.

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