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AI, in this case, refers to LLMs, GPT technology, and anything listed as "AI" meant to increase market valuations.
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The first is a change in engineering culture and engineer mentality. Your job has fundamentally changed. It is no longer to write code, and LLMs are not here to help you write better code faster. Your job is to help the LLM write better code faster.
Emphasis theirs 🤮
The dumb thing about that quote is that it doesn't have to be an either/or situation. Engineers want to solve these problems by nature; if there were no voices from the top, we'd be getting AI to help us write better code, and trying to make AI write better code fast. For whatever reason the C-suites can't just let things follow their natural course which would already result in wins for them, they have to spew the narrative that our jobs are completely changing so they can justify getting rid of them
"AI needs to be able to work autonomously and continuously with less and less human babysitting. Your job is to identify problems that the LLM cannot solve on its own and help them not only solve them this time but be able to better solve them next time, not just for you but for everyone: repository-level context files, shared skills and prompts, and habit of ensuring that repeated failures trigger an investigation and a fix. Your job is to push the limits of what the LLM can do autonomously, step in for the things that it cannot, and always think of how you can improve the status quo."
Forgot to add "so that we can fire you in a couple of years." to the end.
Currently on day four of clearing out my Proton inbox. Moved my files off of Proton Drive, and cancelled my subscription. Next will be changing to a new email alias provider since SimpleLogin is a product of Proton.
Fuck em.
I am currently in the middle of moving to Tuta.
Andy Yen and Proton can get fucked.
This is so frustrating because I started degoogling exactly a year ago, and had finally managed to get completely free of Google mostly thanks to the proton ecosystem... But it took a whole year! I am just settling. I am a mom of two under-10yo boys in my forties. I don't have time for this shit. I thought I was gonna die a proton user. Fucking hell.
Enshitification reaches all things. Even self hosted projects which are high quality.
Goal posts are always moving, incredibly frustrating. In a similar boat and I sympathize with you.
good thing proton didnt look that good in the first place and i didnt switch to them
and their CEO’s meltdown, they decide to do the exact opposite and go all in.
I was INCHES away. They were going to be my de-google move. I had decided to pull the trigger but it was late and I know i would have been up all night dealing with it. I'd deal with it in the morning. A few more days slipped and he licked Trumps balls on twitter....
Whoopsies, not with someone elses' 10 ft pole.
This reads like every bad programmer/manager on Lemmy/Reddit that calls me a Luddite every time I push back on their wild assertions about LLMs and code. Absolute clownery.
I genuinely wonder what these executives have in their mind.
What do they think? That engineers are good enough for being hired but not good enough to decide which tools to use?
If I hire a plumber and I tell them what tool to use, the plumber would either comply and do a bad job or will tell me to get lost.
Why do they think this is different?
Do some engineers like LLM? Sure! And let it be Do some engineers don’t like LLM? Yes… and let it be.
If these tools are so miraculous the engineers that use them will provide such good results that will naturally prevail.
Why the executives need to thumb the scale?
They're thinking that the chatbots are just a few weeks away from making hiring people obsolete so they can finally get infinite money forever.
So, not thinking at all.
This is the same bullshit AI arms race mentality that my company spews to us and every loser company takes up. Every company feels like they need to get faster. None do. Shockingly everyone still releases at the same pace. And even then no value gets added as 80% of the features are either dark patterns or garbage.
As a consumer you’ll never see the benefits of any of this madness. I certainly haven’t. It’s NFTs all over again where people insist I need a clumsy chatbot for reasons.
As an engineer my current reality of babysitting multiple LLM threads and acting as a go between between the llm i spun up and the llm reviewing the code is demoralizing. There’s no thought in this 80% of the time. The most challenging part is finding a way to keep up tech skills and make new ones when everyone has abandoned them.
What's missing in a lot of these is that the executive 'leadership' emphasizes some abstract need to do faster, but never concretely what it is that they need to see done faster. Even worse they go to their customer base bragging about stuff the customer shouldn't care about one way or another if it works: we are going to vibe code the software you get! Ok, but what do I get because of your shift to vibe coding that I didn't have before? What is it that you actually are looking for me to buy?
They have zero vision and instead just signal affinity to AI thinking "job done" without ever actually having some concrete value based goal in mind.
When folks executing toward no particular goal fail to reach any particular goal, the response is to get more opinionated on how to do things and how the employees are obviously not doing things ight since they haven't hit objectives and never actually circling back to actually defining objectives.
People who care about this stuff really need to Stop looking to rent seeking corps and start using and funding collective run services with real standards instead or you're just gonna end up repeatedly having to switch providers everytime a CEO or founder gets exposed.
Here are some examples:
I've been using and donating to riseup.net for 15 years and have yet to be disappointed by anything they've done or statements made by any members. It might take a few weeks to get an account approved but it's well worth it.
This is terrible, but what is even worse is that they partnered with a Zionist Swiss university, that supports Israeli military and out criminal sanctions against students protesting against the genocide of Palestinians.
Yeah ive been harping since he came out as a JD Vance dickrider, but they did a "meh to okay" face saving apology that worked.
The recent shit show is a whole new dimension of abuse and brutality, mixed with "line must go up" silicon valley bullshit at a private non profit, all while being absolutely brainfucked on AI psychosis. Somehow, he also managed to shit on Protons software engineers in a way that was universally hated by his main customers, who are clearly also software engineers.
Dude made himself an an instant nemisis to his most vocal supporters, and the PR two step ain't doing it this time.
Man, I thought it was going to just be a thing about adopting LLMs... that's fucking off the deep end with that shit.
Yeah. I was going to ride it out but then they decided to go full stupid so I've jumped ship. Ain't going down with them.
Soo stupid, their business model is reliant on people that move out of a free service based on principle.
...but as it turns out, writing and manipulating code is one of the activities for which AI models are most well-suited.
Uhhh...wut?
CTO too.
Well, they just have AI Psychosis. Seems like a straightforward case.
This is not the death of expertise. The LLM is fast. You are slow, but you carry with you a lifetime of experience, judgment calls, and understanding. You are also (hopefully) much less prone to hallucination and being mislead by bad or malicious inputs, and are accountable to yourself, your teammates, and to Proton in a way a model can never be. Together you can do far more, far faster than either can do alone.
Just one teeny tiny question, sir. Who tf is going to train your "IA" if no one learns to code because "IA" does "everything by itself"?
Fine, you want to go only by seniors who already knows how to write good code, cut the juniors. Then what? Just hope that "IA" is smart enough (spoiler: it won't) to never need any kind of correction or fixing? And just for what? Going "faster"?
You can always go fast, but you really shouldn't. Unless you want to crash faster I guess.
Yyyeah, packing my shit and looking for another non-Five Eyes provider as we speak. I'll give up encryption at rest if I have to, matters far less than not giving psychos another dime.
This asshole has no clue. Migrating is always a pain, but I'm glad I'm no longer vulnerable to his stupidity harming me directly.
It's a PR statement. Don't listen what people say, watch what they do. There were signs of proton not caring about security that much long before 2024.
If you’re looking for an email service that isn’t written with AI, I made one:
Holy shit. The kool aid consumption is off the charts.
I highly suggest Thundermail (tb.pro) if you wanna switch to a libre email provider. Mozilla hosts stalwart and their own libre mail client for you, along with providing 15 mail aliases and 3 custom domains, for a small price. I have been using it as my daily since past few months. I haven't found any bugs despite it being in beta.