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[–] metermatic26@lemmy.world 265 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

In an un-fucking-believable move, the Americans stopped sharing intelligence and disabled Starlink’s military services, rendering Ukraine completely defenseless against Russian ballistic missiles just prior to a major attack.

This coming shortly after the US essentially negated its economic sanctions on Russian diesel and once again pressured Kyiv to unilaterally cease its attacks on Russian energy infrastructure, even as Russia ramps up their own attacks on Ukrainian energy infrastructure.

Trump is now publically aiding the Russians in their aggression against Ukraine and Europe

[–] Pratai@piefed.ca 141 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

No, that’s a totally believable move. The American government are terrotists that have the American people held hostage. They will now do whatever they want regardless- and oftentimes to spite what the American people want.

And no one is doing shit about it.

[–] brem@lemmy.world 50 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Thank you for not seeing an entire nation as the worst of their parts. I'm trapped in the basement, but I'm trying the best I can. Many people far better than I are doing the same.

If the flame of love & peace dies, all is lost.

[–] Pratai@piefed.ca 44 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (37 children)

Blaming all the people in a nation on the acts of a runaway government is ignorance on display. Just like how all of the Russian citizens don’t support Putin, just like all of Germany didn’t support hitler.

People nowadays seem to have very little time for nuanced thought, and it’s just easier to all-or-nothing a situation because thinking can be hard sometimes.

I’m with ya.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Bro, every time I try to mention nuance on the internet, I'm immediately the bad guy.

Like I'm autistic as fuck, so I can be pretty rigid in the way I think, so I get, like, why people can be that way.

But like on the internet its like half of everyone is just borderline personality about everything. Like it's fun to split people or some shit. Which hurts me to say, because BPD is... complex shit itself.

[–] Pratai@piefed.ca 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Same. And while my ASD can also make me pretty rigid, I also know that the world we live in exists almost entirely within the grey area that lies between the polarizing black and white that everyone cannot see past.

And what bothers me the most about it is how rapidly it seems to be getting worse.

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[–] Cheebus@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

If I was a secret world ruling oligarch i’d want nations against each other

otherwise they might notice me and all my bunkers

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[–] Carmakazi@piefed.social 23 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

American conservatives hate Ukraine because their media has trained them to do so.

American conservatives have a greater affinity for Russian style domestic and foreign policy than they do with liberal democracy.

This is what American conservatives want. They want conservative chauvinism to bowl over the "leftist, globalist" world order with violence and abuse.

[–] EtruDUR@thelemmy.club 15 points 4 weeks ago

Most American Conservatives have no idea what Russian style policy is, or what life, even for “middle class” Russians is like.

They are passive, lazy and infantile people that just go along with whatever their peers and their media diet (Fox News, Talk Radio, Facebook, and now mass media) spoon feeds them.

The core of these people were always either racist or greedy or tolerant of racists for some other idiotic or bigoted reason.

This is what happens when you have a society of overly “soft” and spoiled people. People that have basically never experienced hardship for 2, 3 or 4 generations.

America happens to be the most powerful and most culturally dominant country right now, but this isn’t a special thing. It is human nature and America is just ahead of the curve.

[–] Wataba@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

2/3rds of the country endorsed this, or decided they were okay with it happening and did nothing to stop it.

And no, im not calling it Stockholm Syndrome when that's total BS made up to cover for incompetent negotiators and hostage rescue.

[–] Pratai@piefed.ca 13 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

Yep. MAGA, non-voters, and 3rd party voters opened this door.

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[–] Tja@programming.dev 11 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah, trump announced he would do this many times during the election (and his first term). The american people chose this. Twice. At least there is no war in the middle east...

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[–] MightEnlightenYou@lemmy.world 8 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

They did the same thing last year, Ukraine and Europe has been preparing for this happening

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[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 20 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

produced by Musk’s SpaceX but managed by the US government, was no longer working at speeds greater than 100mph.

That effectively rendered most of the drones used by Ukraine to strike behind the frontlines inoperable

Such a specific way to sabotage Ukraine. They didn't shut down access, just made it so their weapons didn't work.

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[–] AMoralNihilist@feddit.uk 16 points 4 weeks ago

Even worse that they did it not just without warning, but without even a "hey we shut you off". Just, system switch cut off.

And as others have said, not even remotely surprising at this point.

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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 89 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Trump is a traitor. He should be treated as such.

I really hope the Ukrainians can continue winning the war without it.

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[–] Mihies@programming.dev 55 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I for one admire Zelensky for keeping it up until now. There are not many that could be in his position dealing with the Orange corrupted paedophile.

[–] adhdsergio@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago

It's because he puts the good of the country above his personal pride and feelings. He is being a true professional with the orange moron

[–] auzy1@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Whilst it could be argued he's not fighting in the war, he's definitely put a massive target on his own head that is bigger than most soldiers, and keeps himself at risk.

You can hear the sound of Zalensky's massive balls clanging together from miles away.

And unlike Trump, you can tell he isn't worried about what people think of him. He doesn't try to pretend to be a "strong man"

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[–] kmartburrito@lemmy.world 42 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Trump betrays everyone but himself. Only someone delusional would think otherwise.

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[–] switcheroo@lemmy.world 38 points 3 weeks ago

Ofc the Orange Plague is mad. The Russian propaganda machine is down and not spewing bullshit into MAGAt ears.

Keep it up Ukraine.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 37 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Keep bombing the oil Zelenskyy it is time to go green

[–] thatOneGuy@aussie.zone 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Their ability to bomb* the oil depots is probably related to their starlink/starshield access. 🥺

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[–] TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago

betrayed? by Donald J Trump? YOU DON'T SAY?!

[–] Quazatron@lemmy.world 27 points 4 weeks ago

The Portuguese ex-president said it years ago: Trump is a Russian asset.

[–] ExtremeUnicorn@feddit.org 21 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Maybe he feels betrayed because he was betrayed?

And he's still not wearing a damn suit.

[–] aksdb@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Did he say “thank you” for this beautiful betrayal?! /s

[–] GrumpyGrampa@lemmy.zip 21 points 3 weeks ago

All eyes and finger pointing should be aimed at that gutless orange mess in the White House!

[–] datendefekt@feddit.org 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If the American government reacts like this, then it sure shows how Ukraine is winning.

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[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Volodymyr Zelensky should take a history book and read about how the US treats its allies once they are no longer useful.

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[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Betrayed now? Not after they openly mocked you for not wearing a suit?

[–] clanker_victim_555@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

He ate shit and humiliated himself in front of the whole world on the off chance he could still get some benefit for Ukraine. This means he's given up on them.

[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

People died because of this. Why would mocking his clothing even be a blip in comparison?

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[–] NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (7 children)

Elon had already disabled Starlink access to them once, back at the start of the war when Biden was still president. I don't understand why Ukraine hasn't divested of SpaceX at this point. Hopefully they have diversified their sources of intel and comms, at least. Europe is starting to develop some nice alternatives like ICEYE, and have given multiple pledges? suggestions? to utilize it in support of Ukraine, I thought.

Edit: I guess Russia is considering stopping them too: https://www.axios.com/2026/10/17/russia-ukraine-satellite-space

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[–] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 15 points 4 weeks ago

America is cancer.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I felt this was going to happen eventually, I just didn't know how soon. It also follows suit with Trump working to create a new world hegemony where he sees himself acquiring Canada and Greenland and letting everything else fall to Russia and China. The only way it can even begin to be real is with a world war where the US deliberately ghosts Europe and NATO, and it has already begun to do that.

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[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Days after they warned of Russia's growing satellite capabilities. Donald Trump should be tried and hanged for this shit.

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[–] housedogpartyfavor@lemmy.zip 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] CrimeIsLegalNow@ani.social 9 points 3 weeks ago

Which is why he can say it now instead of having to suck it up and smile for the cameras

[–] Pratai@piefed.ca 11 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

dipshit trump betrayed mankind. And mankind betrayed themselves by letting him.

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[–] dan1101@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

I think Zelensky has done a really good job overall in a really bad situation, but you don't have to read much news to know both Trump and Musk and terrible people and not to be trusted.

Be happy it lasted this long when dealing with these two billionaire psychopaths.

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[–] MightEnlightenYou@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Everyone is acting as if this hasn't been prepared for and doesn't have contingency. Still a betrayal, but an expected one by political and military leaders.

Online commentators aren't the only people who are able to foresee this

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[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Using the word "betrayed" implies he trusted him in the first place, which I strongly doubt.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Zelensky knows how to play the game though

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[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 9 points 4 weeks ago

Trump feels that what is right for Trump is right for America. And though technically there is nothing wrong from a procedural point of view, he is completely stupid and does not understand that trust is a currency on the world stage and he just blew it all.

I won’t even get into the fact that helping Russia, who is helping Iran, is directly damaging the US. Surely someone near him has connected those dots

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