Perhaps teaching children to never question authority was a bad idea
We should give Hitler a posthumous peace prize for killing the leader of the Nazis. Maybe that could inspire a certain fat orange pedophile to follow suit.
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Indeed and the MAGA fucknuts would do the same for Mango Mussolini.
Only 13 million? I think that severely limits his responsibility. Hitler didn't cause just 13 million deaths. Hitler caused 13 million jews to be killed + 65 million allies + ~44k in the blitzkreig + ~5 million german soldiers + all the other groups targeted in the holocaust (Roma, Gypsies, LGBT, mental patients, etc.) + all the civilians that got caught up in the battlefield (Africa + Europe). In total, Hitler mighta got 100 million.
Hurr, nooo, those are the victims of comyunusm
That's 100 million billion!
I think Hitler is said to have killed people in the first world war.
There was recently news about Hitler probably murdering his niece in 1931. She supposedly killed herself in his apartment but historians found old archives that apparently suggest that's not what actually happened.
He was a courier. There are no records and no eyewitness accounts of Hitler ever killing anyone in combat, and he saw very little of it. Hitler himself makes no claims at ever killing an enemy soldier.
He also dodged the draft in Austria-Hungary so that's fun.
Thanks Eva! I'm glad your doing well
Oh thanks for the correction then, even if he did claim it I wouldn't believe it obviously, I thought he was supposed to have taken a bunch of prisoners at gunpoint but that memory of reading that is from like decades back now so idk.
And the person he killed? The most evil person ever: Hitler!
Also Hitlers wife.
And Whistler's mother
She killed herself, one could argue.
The only difference between Osama Bin Laden and Brian Thompson, is that Brian got people killed for money.
Sir. This post is about Hitler
That and he did structural violence. Our brains are not adapted to react to that emotionally
This isn't even a cop thing, though I have no doubt the rate would be higher if empirically tested; cops tend to be very Conventional Morality in the sense that If Legal -> Moral.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
TL;DR: 65% of people would kill someone if given an order to do so (and some plausible deniability).
My money's on it being 70-80% for US cops, maybe higher. My only real metric on this is the one guy I knew who made an arrest he was ordered to that he (should have) known wasn't legal and shrugged his shoulders about retelling the incident, saying "I'm a soldier (he was an Army veteran); I follow orders."
Pulling a gun and shooting a person running away from you is hardly plausible deniability.
The point still stands, but did Hitler never kill even one person with his own two hands? Did he not find the time to go down to a camp and kill a few innocents himself? Seems like a thing would be bound to happen.
He was in the military in WW1, so he may have killed a few people.
Yeah I knew he was in WW1, and may have taken a life there. But I'm wondering about when he was actually in power. Like, did history's greatest anti-Semite really resist the temptation to do a little dirty work himself? Did he never take an afternoon to go throw the lever on a gas chamber himself? It's not like he couldn't have easily arranged such a thing.
Some historians seem to think he would've mentioned it in Mein Kampf if he had.
I have always wondered about this sort of thing. Powerful people are only powerful because people choose to obey them.
Not even obey. Many people willingly follow along mostly because they think someone they don't like will get hurt. Trump isn't destoying the US on his own. He is being aided by a large portion of the conservative population.
I mean that's gross oversimplification, they also use violence of the state to force what they want
To use violence, they still need someone to carry that out.
Those people don't need to believe in it though, there's plenty of people who will do violence for the sake of violence
ThenUS basically has a nation wide grooming campaign tonget boys to join the military. You're not wrong, but the problem is deeper then that.
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"They only followed orders" is the most fucking stupid way to defend the oppressor, yet it works, because people have no balls to stand for themselves in such situations.
I'm sure you're balls would be all over the place
Notably, it didn't work.
Adolf Eichmann is the guy who made that claim famous, and he was hung almost immediately after his trial.
Notably it worked really well
A few dozen people were executed for German war crimes. These people were not "just following orders", regardless of what they said. They were creating orders.
Thousands and thousands of people directly responsible for nazi slaughter were safely smuggled out of Germany by the CIA, given new names, and resettled in America, Canada, South America, South Africa, and more.
These people were also creating orders, and yet they were freed from any consequences, including even the economic ones that followed in postwar Germany. They went on to fertilize many of the fascist, racist movements we see taking over today.
Millions more lower level people who only directly murdered others by pulling a trigger, were let off the hook completely. Many got to keep their positions of violent state enforcement. These were the only people "just following orders" and they all escaped prosecution.
Studies on obedience (e.g. replications of Milgrim Experiment) suggest a lot of factors play into people harming and killing others on behalf of an authority. Original was 65% of participants, but it can to up to 90% with men in authoritarian cultures.
My favorite was Australian women having the lowest rate of obedience in the shock experiment, at only 16%, being relatively individualistic and rebellious culturally, but even less obedient then men as women are less likely to conform when it involves harming others. That may have changed in recent years though, as people more comfortable with authoritarianism tend to be more likely to obey.
Typically, people least likely to obey the order have better social intelligence and moral development. Unfortunately, those traits are far and few between lately...
Do you have a book or a paper which aggregates these studies?
I picked up a fair amount from an OER textbook that references the studies on its chapter on conformity and obedience, but I bet there is a meta analysis out there with a more comprehensive list. The only issue is later studies on this can't ethically go beyond a certain amount of fake voltage, as the original studies went a bit too far it's getting people to think they killed someone.
The textbook in question is available here: https://opentextbc.ca/socialpsychology/
Typically, people least likely to obey the order have better social intelligence and moral development. Unfortunately, those traits are far and few between lately…
There's a reason American fascists are trying to demonize the concept of 'empathy'.
In all of the discussions, Höss is quite matter-of-fact and apathetic, shows some belated interest in the enormity of his crime, but gives the impression that it never would have occurred to him if somebody hadn't asked him. There is too much apathy to leave any suggestion of remorse and even the prospect of hanging does not unduly stress him. One gets the general impression of a man who is intellectually normal, but with the schizoid apathy, insensitivity and lack of empathy that could hardly be more extreme in a frank psychotic.
From the Wikipedia article Rudolf Höss, about the commandant of Auschwitz.
Absolutely, empathy is easily the enemy of fascism. And the worst thing to them is unity, as we have the most empathy for people we consider in-group, so division only feeds into their agenda.
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