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[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I didn't insult you other than to say that you're biased, which I don't think is an insult personally. I'm biased too, about different things. All humans are.

My point, for the third (3rd) time, is that having Harry be interested in being a cop is not out of character and poor writing because Harry’s traits and background don't preclude him from an interest in being one.

[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I think you just don't understand that cops come from the same schools, communities, homes, families, etc. as anyone else, including you; in other words, you have a significant mental rift that makes it impossible for you to walk the bridge of logic I built for you.

I don't know if I can build a bridge big enough for you to cross. I guess just stare at my previous comment for a while until it clicks.

TL;DR: If you think, and even shout from the rooftops, that the only people suitable for law enforcement are pieces of shit, guess who is going to become law enforcement? Oh my, we seem to have a Too Many Pieces of Shit in Law Enforcement problem! Wonder how that happened...

[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

“No but you have to understand, All Cops might Be Bastards but they’re could be way worse bastards!”

This strawman isn't even properly put together; it's falling apart. If English isn't your first language, skip the following: Write better.

Do you not understand that things are clearly immoral should lead to law enforcement refusing to enforce the laws. It doesn’t mean they get to decide which laws to enforce or not, willy nilly, but if someone says “go an arrest every minority out there” they can say ‘that’s unconstitutional and I won’t do it, you can fire me and then I’ll sue you’ or whatever it is you do there.

Evidently not, because my understanding of your argument is that it is an oxymoron: Cops should use their own moral judgement to selectively enforce the law, but also, cops should not use their own moral judgement to selectively enforce the law.

I'm not a Harry Potter encyclopedia so maybe your perception of Harry being a loose cannon is much more arbitrary than mine, but in the context of someone refusing to enforce a law on moral grounds, you're making zero sense to me. It seems like you're assigning "willy nilly" to selective enforcement you disagree with and "refusal" to selective enforcement you agree with.

[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I agree, but unless you're asserting Harry did that, I don't understand why you brought that up.

I haven't touched the series in quite a long time, so you could be making specific references to specific things he did for all I know.

[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

The nice part about my idea is that even with those hurdles in mind, I still proposed it knowing that all it would take is one person to happen upon whichever post or subreddit to auto-scrape and get the discussion on Lemmy going.

Let's be real; 99% of the reason Lemmy is less popular than Reddit is copy+pasting a link, writing your own title, etc. is more effort than 0, therefore the Lemmy-Reddit hybrids like myself don't bother.

Hell, even the staunchly anti-Reddit Lemmites who could be parasitically "stealing" posts and comments to steal Reddit's thunder don't do it. There are other things they'd rather do, evidently.

Now that I think of it, after using the word "scrape," it could be that Reddit ToS follows most websites' in that scraping is explicitly forbidden, so displaying the open source code (or even using it) would incur legal action from Reddit.

[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (3 children)

“Loose cannons” are never good as cops. No matter how much you delude yourself they’re completely moral and even if that were 100% true they wouldn’t be good cops. Cops aren’t justice. They’re law enforcement.

A reminder that we're talking about choosing between lesser evils here. Would you rather an immoral by-the-book Auror/cop in league with Voldemort/Hitler or a moral loose cannon like Harry?

Someone applying their own morality all the time instead of laws should never ever be a cop. That’s why ACAB.

How do you feel about ICE arresting people for immigration offenses?

How do you feel about the DEA prosecuting people for cannabis?

There's nuance here, and you're pretending there isn't.

[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Of course not. That's why I said "To the best of my recollection the last I’ve seen bits of traffic data here and there, [...]"

[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

To moderators. I want to say even to regular users if your comment/post gets enough traction on New Reddit, i.e. hundreds or thousands of views.

Other, similar websites also show such data to those in privileged positions as well. If they're pretty sure you're not a bot, they give it freely. Whatever tier above "average user" and especially "a person interested in growing the website out of self-interest" a given website has, it'll probably be available. I'm sure you can imagine a half dozen that are on the money.

[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (4 children)

To the best of my recollection the last I've seen bits of traffic data here and there, it's large, but not large in comparison to the US and India.

[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Fair enough, but that argument also works against you:

Why become a cop? He has other interests than being a cop.

is equal to

Why not become a cop? He's interested in being a cop.

Surely you know cops don't eat sleep and breathe law enforcement too, right? As in they have other hobbies and interests? That goes for every job; a tailor has hobbies other than tailoring, and a taxi driver has other interests than driving.

[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

True, Harry's (culture) is not morally perfect, and his morality is tainted by the writer's perspective. I'm going with broad strokes here, and "he's not perfect," does not disqualify him for law enforcement IMO.

[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (5 children)

But like the earlier dude said Harry hasn’t even got an understanding of the wider world. He would be much better at being a professor, because it also includes studying instead of just enforcing the rules.

This section is refuted by: He's 18, so "Duh" and "Nah," respectively.

Even if you imagine a perfect cop, he wouldn’t be acting like Harry. Harry constantly breaks some rules or laws. Not what cops should be doing.

A fair point, but essentially the opposite of what looks like most people's assertion about Harry becoming a cop, i.e. "He's good so he should not be a cop," and/or, "If some/most/all cops are bad, no one should become a cop." I find both of those asinine takes, hence my refuting them above.

TL;DR: Harry would be morally upstanding and a loose cannon (assuming he doesn't mature past 18), therefore a "good" cop, but not a "great" cop, and assuming his world is anything like ours, should absolutely be a cop to offset the bad.

Imagine if the magical world was (for this analogy) the US. Some who grew up in another country and hasn’t even lived in the US, just went to a mostly American school, wants to be an American cop? Even when they go through a necessary training (and we know the wizarding world isn’t big on credentials or experience) to become a cop, he’d still have very little understanding of the actual law with just some weeks of training, and wouldn’t have grown up hearing about the constitution of the US let alone all the amendments to it.

Yes, immigrant cops have a disadvantage to face, but I disagree in your analogy and its application to Harry that it means they're disqualified from the position; that's a training issue that is far from impossible.

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