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The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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[–] lurker@awful.systems 3 points 1 hour ago

So I got bored and for some reason decided to look at the AI 2027 prediction grading doc again…and its Claude Mythos rank is just straight up wrong?

To quote the doc: “ The current best 80% time horizon is Mythos Preview at 186 minutes (version 1.1; there is no measurement for version 1.0). The methodology change from TH1.0 to TH1.1 drops the best model as of AI 2027 publication (Claude 3.7 Sonnet) by 2/3 from 15 to 10 minutes. Because we care more about the pace of progress rather than the absolute values, we look at when the AI 2027 trajectory reaches 186*(3/2)=279 minutes. In a central AI-2027-speed trajectory from our AI 2027 timelines model, 279 minutes is achieved in May 2026.”

Except Claude Sonnet wasn’t dropped to 10 minutes, it was dropped to 12. to play devil’s advocate maybe it was updated between then and now? but it doesnt seem like it.

[–] rmf@awful.systems 10 points 14 hours ago (4 children)
[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 2 points 1 hour ago

what in the fuck

and I presume the answers default to yes

[–] fnix@awful.systems 6 points 11 hours ago

Right on buddy, I too want to live in a future where my diamonds are judged by their brilliance and my passion as a magnate, not by the child labor I employ to produce them.

[–] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 13 hours ago

I recognise that the sloperator is pretty damn insecure about their AI usage. [YES][NO]

[–] antifuchs@awful.systems 15 points 20 hours ago (5 children)

Feel like this blog must have made the rounds but today is the first time I’m actually reading it and it’s sharp enough to cut with:

Every death on my corner is offset, with a third of a toddler left over, and I’d like that number in the conversation the next time somebody calls me a murderer out the window of a passing Kia.

The comments have some real gems too.

Fair. I've reweighted in DALYs. The net goes up, because my customers' remaining DALYs are low. Thanks for the push.

[–] sbszine@dice.camp 1 points 11 hours ago
[–] ivan_achlaqullah@ohai.social 3 points 17 hours ago

@antifuchs @BlueMonday1984 lol, good parody of that cult.

[–] whvholst@eupolicy.social 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

@antifuchs @BlueMonday1984 Firefox throws me TLS errors over that link.

[–] antifuchs@awful.systems 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Weird, it’s a regular Google trust services issued cert here; my Firefox doesn’t complain about it.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 1 points 11 minutes ago

Same here, Chrome works, but I am also behind some weird corporate network.

[–] TinyTimmyTokyo@awful.systems 15 points 1 day ago (7 children)
[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 7 points 19 hours ago

I'm some random shitposter from TERF Island and I can definitely write better than Aella

[–] BurgersMcSlopshot@awful.systems 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I thought GPT 2 had already hit the point of "Writing better than Aella"

[–] samvines@awful.systems 3 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Nah I think it was earlier than that... Markov chain models!

In fact you could probably do better by building script that pseudo-randomly picks words from categories containing "intelligent sounding" words and "lewd" words and "edgelord" words

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As if insufficient volume of text output was ever a problem among lesswrongers

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 23 hours ago

Im just surprised they have even more ideas they have not written up, surely we are missing out on some quality content.

Butlerian Jihad now.

[–] rhamph@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago

Pray tell, how is the chatbot going to know what you want to say if you won’t write it out? This feels a little too obvious.

[–] istewart@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

as soon as AI is good enough to discharge feces out of my butt as good as I would if I had enough fiber in my diet, I intend to use AI to do so. I know how I want to poop, and I could poop so much more if I didn't need to manual labor little clumps out one by one

obligatory apology for the foregoingsorry not sorry

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 10 points 1 day ago

Aella was homeschooled by fundies. I don't think anyone ever sat her down and explained that first and foremost you write to figure out what you think about something. She must know the OnlyFans model of a celebrity and dozens of underlings in a call center answering 'her' texts in 'her' voice and selling her smut.

[–] zogwarg@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago

Cognitive surrender illustrated.

[–] corbin@awful.systems 15 points 1 day ago

Previously, on Awful, Gutsick Gibbon spent an hour ripping apart T. Beale's (VD's) anti-evolution book. She was still angry though, so she got her prior collaborator and four friends to join her for a complete dissection of VD's bullshit claims. Content warning for literally everything awful we discuss here, including sex crimes, neo-Nazis, Silicon Valley bullshit, and remarkably bad arithmetic. My choice sneer is her chosen video title, "Six Scientists Roast One Racist Loser (Heartwarming) (Four Hours) (Hopecore)". GG's requested that we not give VD any attention other than reminding him that he's such a pathetic loser that even white nationalists disavow him as too boring and insipid, so I'm not posting this to a top-level topic, but I'm getting a lot of household chores done while listening to it in the background and maybe you will too.

[–] nfultz@awful.systems 11 points 1 day ago

https://sfstandard.com/2026/10/13/openai-engineer-arrested-alleged-bugging-executive-conference-room/ h/t Naked Capitalism

A chatbot account tied to Alfozan’s spouse, which shared identifiers with his own account, submitted prompts between Sept. 24 and Sept. 30 about building, installing, obscuring, and remotely accessing a recording device, prosecutors said. Queries included how to “build a continuous audio recorder” and “encrypt the SD card,” prosecutors claimed. On Sept. 27 and 28, the account asked about the specific device that was later found, including its unique MAC address.

lol asking ChatGPT how to bug OpenAI from your wife's account.

[–] lagrangeinterpolator@awful.systems 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

More news about the character dot ai bankruptcy: as it turns out, the true economics of the company are disastrous. At their peak, their revenue was around $1M a month while their AI compute expenses alone were $14M a month! Their total expenses in 2025 were around $18.5M a month before counting legal fees. All of this is for a pure text-based low power LLM (none of the "reasoning" business).

Before AI boosters crow about how much cheaper AI is currently, they tried every trick in the book to enshittify: open models, ads, usage limits, etc. This allowed them to cut down their losses to a mere $9M a month.

Surely this is all one big exception, everyone else in the AI bubble is doing just fine!

[–] corbin@awful.systems 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I haven't really kept up, but it looks like Character's business model was still focused on NSFW content. If so, then this is also a disaster for the industry at large, since NSFW content is one of the few genuine money-printers for chatbot and image-generation services; people really do want thousands of iterations of the same fantasy, slightly changed in order to stay engaging, and Character was highly recommended as a source of affordable slop. (Examples of unaffordability include the rampant free-tier abuse on ChatGPT, Gemini, and Grok; I'm assuming that customers are willing to open their wallets at least a little. In general, the porn industry turns a profit, so I do think that people will pay for porn.)

My prior estimate (previously, on Awful and on Lobsters) was that token generation was subsidized to the tune of an effective 80-90% discount; this looks to be more in the 90-95% range. For contrast, consider chatbot-booster Willison's belief, in reply above, that Chinese labs will magically produce a five-fold improvement in token production; this still would be between two to four times slower than needed to turn a profit for Character.

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

How you look at "my company pays $14 for every $ from the user" and not like, idk, stop, seek help, change your job, name, and address, is completely beyond me.

[–] FredFig@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago

I mean, the founders literally did that, Google hired them back at a 2.8 billion dollar premium for some reason.

[–] BioMan@awful.systems 5 points 1 day ago

You assume that the VCs will keep you alive a little longer as a honeypot to gather more plaintext blackmail material and private information and keep preparing to sell out to Facebook

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

(h/t david gerard)

How much slop is in Linux now? You're no longer allowed to know, so its probably all slop

(why did I jump ship to Linux at this exact moment)

[–] corbin@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For copyright purposes, all patches must be substantially human-written. However, it seems that most patches are now prepared with chatbot assistance, so that effectively means that people are required to be psychotic centaurs in order to keep up with review demand. There's an LWN secret link from the documentation lieutenant which summarizes the linked LKML thread. My former lieutenant, in the Direct Rendering Manager (DRM) subsystem, is apparently having a bad time:

Airlie asked his sub-maintainers; most of them identified him as the biggest pain point. More seriously, it was that the DRM subsystem is still seeing too many regressions. There is a push within the subsystem to move development to GitLab in order to use its CI features; he is not standing in the way because he wants to see how it turns out.

This is a more systemic problem than one might expect, because DRM (and DRI, Direct Rendering Infrastructure) are partially shared between Linux and the BSDs. This subsystem has creaked along under the weight of corporate expectations for decades, mostly fueled by a kind of quiet sponsorship of young university folks from GPU vendors along with outsourced drivers produced behind corporate privacy and thrown over the wall. Every vendor, even our eternal nemesis nVidia, has made repeated concessions in order to try to figure out the maintainer burden, but it seems that we are still dependent on Airlie's stoutness and willingness to get shouted at by Torvalds.

[–] istewart@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago

The saga of DRM/DRI and "open" GPU drivers is one of those topics for which I wish I could hire a historian to write an extensive treatment. The primary sources of how we ended up here, mailing list discussions and the like, are probably mostly publicly available, but unless you were there, who has taken the time to understand how it all happened?

[–] Rinn@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (5 children)

Question: anyone has a link to a good primer on the rationalists and especially how that whole environment influences/interacts with the large AI companies like Anthropic?

I need something to bring some ppl I know up to speed on this bc when they ask me "wait, what do you mean when you say that Silicone Valley turned into an AI cult with orgies" I just stare into space overwhelmed by the magnitude of the task ahead of me.

Edit: thanks everyone for responses, I'll get my friend started with Sex, AI, and the Apocalypse and then point him at rational wiki for any further questions.

[–] rhamph@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I haven’t tried it out in the wild, but I feel that Sex, AI, and the Apocalypse appropriately addresses a lot of noteworthy aspects, even though the title gives so much prominence to ‘sex’.

[–] Rinn@awful.systems 2 points 23 hours ago

Just found this on sneerclub, this seems like a reasonable intro to the subject. Thanks!

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

What type of documentation are you looking for? The big picture is easily googleable and wikipediable: EY got a few of the super-rich excited enough about doomer drama to bankroll the founding of OpenAI, whose governing body was mostly EAs (until the Altman-Nadella counter-coup) while Anthropic were the people who bailed because they though OAI weren't serious enough about alignment, and suddenly getting dicked in a rationalist ~~compound~~ group house has immense career implications in the burgeoning AI sector.

Also terms like AGI, ASI, AI alignment, existential risk et al started out as lesswrong shibboleths, and so-called alignment research is almost completely a rationalist circlejerk.

Pinning the EA/rats down as a cult is where it gets murkier because it's mostly them telling on themselves in social media and blog post implications, like how they foster a culture of zero personal boundaries, ingroup overdependence and rigid hierarchies stratified around claimed IQ and proximity to the Great Work of not messing up the robot god incantation that ends the world.

You could do worse than the Behind the Bastards episode on the Zizians, mostly because unlike Leverage or MAPLE who kind of did their own thing but with rationalist funding and human capital, the Zizians can be fairly described as what happens if you actually take the more esoteric aspects of rationalism seriously.

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Also, the really powerful people keep the details mercifully secret. My elevator pitch is "remember how the exec team at FTX were living in a penthouse apartment, sleeping together, and posting harem fantasies? People who have met them say the Rationalists and AI company staff live like that."

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago

There is always RationalWiki but its not really equipped to deal with the polycule and abuse of sexual power stuff (or all the giant institutiions taking Internet cranks seriously). https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page

[–] lurker@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

AI safety is mostly a sex cult

the guy who posted this is also a singularity fanatic, but this is a good enough summary

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's a catchy summary because he leans into the weird sex stuff instead of say the cosmism aspect, but the writer is a knob who doesn't like EA/rats for basically the same reasons as Peter Thiel, so take him with a grain of salt.

He's also likened anti-data center activism to jewish pogroms and believes that AI resentment can be summed up as "curing cancer is less important than my job satisfaction".

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You also have to transcribe all the screenshots and google them to trace them back to source. RationalWiki his thread is not.

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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago

Unconfirmed rumor says that a Swedish streaming service had to postpone the premiere of a new game show season because an "AI agent" deleted the completed cut of the show.

Via SVT: https://www.svt.se/kultur/tekniskt-haveri-tv4-skjuter-upp-realitysatsning

References Aftonbladet: https://www.aftonbladet.se/nojesbladet/a/31oE8A/the-challenge-sverige-raderad-av-ai-bara-veckor-innan-premiaren

The streaming service (TV4) says it's a "technical issue" (the Swedish term "haveri" is used for everything from a computer system crash to an airplane crash).

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 10 points 2 days ago
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