Soyweiser

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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yeah, as I have mentioned a few times before here I used to read their online H+ magazine a bit, and it was odd, a mix of science and woo, and they published a lot of articles. Until the moment there was one article about how transhumanism must make sure that it also helps the poor, that article was quickly removed (so quickly it wasn't archived, it was however still in my rss feed which is how I read it). After that article the amount of articles published dropped to nothing. (I always assumed the editor was fired over that or something, I think he himself also added to that article).

Ben Goertzel also regularly wrote for H+ mag. A name that shouldn't be totally unfamiliar to people who know things about transhumanism, and Ben is into PSI now. (Or considering the tone of some of the articles, he prob always was).

(Yes, I keep writing this same comment here over and over as I seem to be one of the few people who read the magazine at the time who also posts here)

E: looks like H+mag deleted their whole website. (guess being immortal is only for the rich, and not information). But look at this old LW post I found re Goertzel and PSI.

And via the comments: The solution of the whole 'is PSI real' problem? Why did you ask (Robin Hanson) it is betting of course.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 1 day ago

Tossing a lot of salt into the cooling fans helps to silence the daemons yes.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A critical piece on EA from somebody who actually lives in one of the poorest places in the world.

Somewhere in 2021, I contacted about a hundred people (mostly individuals) who identify as effective altruists, asking them not for money, but for social media posts ...

... one wrote back saying, “I usually share projects that have been vetted by Givewell or a similar organization….Why do you think your project is more effective compared to all the others?”

All that over a social media post.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)
[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 4 points 2 days ago

Not concerning at all.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 7 points 2 days ago (14 children)

Fyi, I blocked him a while back. Didnt like his whole 'im the reasonable centrist' bit while making blocklists of anti ai people.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah im just wondering why they tried it at all. Feels like the lidl branching into selling luxury cars to make an extreme example.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 4 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Arent like the margin increases on targeted ads already pretty bad? I don't think running expensive chatbots (which then can be messed with by the people you are trying to reach, driving up the costs even more) are going to really provide value for the advertisement world.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 3 days ago

is less of a cult than it is a cult factory.

Cult incubator. Use the correct Silicon Valley terms please.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 13 points 3 days ago

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What is that? That's a hard-coded API token that Flock cameras use to identify themselves and get OAuth credentials, which can then be used to talk to Flock's production servers. Like, anyone on the internet can probably do this right now.

Mein Gott.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (24 children)

No direct links but various people on bsky have discovered LW and EA and are having a collective 'wtf is wrong with these people' and 'wait all the top AI guys are like this?' moments. And it is funny to see.

Sadly the 'you can't explain this stuff without either looking like an insane conspiracy theorist, or you need to write an actual book because people don't believe you remains a bit true.

E: ok one link: https://bsky.app/profile/niedermeyer.online/post/3mvpuq2deo22u (Guess this is a reference to the SE Gyges thread).

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I recall a long time ago when the first 'we are going to hack virusses and the terrorists will kill everybody' stories came up that actual viroligists already explained that this is not how it works, and this isn't a risk people should really fear. But science fiction > experts.

E: also terrorists don't just want to kill everybody, and guns and fertilizer are cheap and easy to use.

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submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by Soyweiser@awful.systems to c/sneerclub@awful.systems
 

As we don't have a top level post about this already (nor on reddit) I thought why not make one. Archive.is

Extremely likely the guy was a lesswronger, or at least radicalized by that sort of thinking.

But not much else seems to be known as far as I can tell. Corbin also posted about the HN reactions in the stubsack.

And remember, no fed posting.

Edit: looks like his house also got shot. Archive (after the speculation in this thread, makes you wonder if this was a follow up false flag, as the bottle didn't break last time).

 

Via reddits sneerclub. Thanks u/aiworldism.

I have called LW a cult incubator for a while now, and while the term has not catched on, nice to see more reporting on the problem that lw makes you more likely to join a cult.

https://www.aipanic.news/p/the-rationality-trap the original link for the people who dont like archive.is used the archive because I dont like substack and want to discourage its use.

 

As found by @gerikson here, more from the anti anti TESCREAL crowd. How the antis are actually R9PRESENTATIONALism. Ottokar expanded on their idea in a blog post.

Original link.

I have not read the bigger blog post yet btw, just assumed it would be sneerable and posted it here for everyone's amusement. Learn about your own true motives today. (This could be a troll of course, boy does he drop a lot of names and thinks that is enough to link things).

E: alternative title: Ideological Turing Test, a critical failure

 

Original title 'What we talk about when we talk about risk'. article explains medical risk and why the polygenic embryo selection people think about it the wrong way. Includes a mention of one of our Scotts (you know the one). Non archived link: https://theinfinitesimal.substack.com/p/what-we-talk-about-when-we-talk-about

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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Soyweiser@awful.systems to c/sneerclub@awful.systems
 

Begrudgingly Yeast (@begrudginglyyeast.bsky.social) on bsky informed me that I should read this short story called 'Death and the Gorgon' by Greg Egan as he has a good handle on the subjects/subjects we talk about. We have talked about Greg before on Reddit.

I was glad I did, so going to suggest that more people he do it. The only complaint you can have is that it gives no real 'steelman' airtime to the subjects/subjects it is being negative about. But well, he doesn't have to, he isn't the guardian. Anyway, not going to spoil it, best to just give it a read.

And if you are wondering, did the lesswrongers also read it? Of course: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/hx5EkHFH5hGzngZDs/comment-on-death-and-the-gorgon (Warning, spoilers for the story)

(Note im not sure this pdf was intended to be public, I did find it on google, but might not be meant to be accessible this way).

 

Some light sneerclub content in these dark times.

Eliezer complements Musk on the creation of community notes. (A project which predates the takeover of twitter by a couple of years (see the join date: https://twitter.com/CommunityNotes )).

In reaction Musk admits he never read HPMOR and he suggests a watered down Turing test involving HPMOR.

Eliezer invents HPMOR wireheads in reaction to this.

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