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Enshittification

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What is enshittification?

The phenomenon of online platforms gradually degrading the quality of their services, often by promoting advertisements and sponsored content, in order to increase profits. (Cory Doctorow, 2022, extracted from Wikitionary) source

The lifecycle of Big Internet

We discuss how predatory big tech platforms live and die by luring people in and then decaying for profit.

Embrace, extend and extinguish

We also discuss how naturally open technologies like the Fediverse can be susceptible to corporate takeovers, rugpulls and subsequent enshittification.

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[–] LogicOverFeelings@piefed.ca 82 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The title is a bit dishonest, most of the data didn't leave the local network. According to the article, sending this much data seem to have been a bug instead of intended design.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 69 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Okay, but here me out. Maybe coffee makers shouldn't have a way to generate data.

[–] LogicOverFeelings@piefed.ca 29 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely think having a coffee maker connected to the internet is completely stupid and useless. I made that comment because I hate dishonesty.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

But then how is it supposed to support RFC 2324?

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (9 children)

My coffee maker is a pot and heating element in a plastic shell, as it should be. As it was for 60 years.

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[–] potustheplant@feddit.nl 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] cogitase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It’s also based entirely on a tweet with zero follow-up or explanation as to what happened. People have lied on Twitter in the past, shockingly.

[–] CheesyFingers@piefed.social 7 points 2 weeks ago

Lied? On Twitter? Nooooooo, couldn't be

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[–] ZpbkPEcaHhIveqdR@lemmy.world 61 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Considering the website claims it "respects your privacy" but doesn't give you a choice to opt out of cookies for 1,746 partners, the website hardly seems like a good source

[–] Tehdastehdas@piefed.social 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"We value your privacy - give it to us"

[–] Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 weeks ago

"We value your privacy. We sell it to the highest bidder for a lot of moolah"

[–] BlackRoseAmongThorns@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 weeks ago

And it barely contained any information, too.

[–] IamMoonPie@lemmy.world 41 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

Regardless if this is true or not I will never buy a “smart” device again. Why does my refrigerator need internet connection to cool my food?!?!

[–] strocker89@piefed.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It doesn't, they want an internet connection so they can track your food usage and then sell your more food, they want your money forever

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago

The issue is actually why it needs to run a entire OS just to brew coffee with 5 or so options over remote?

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[–] fubarx@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

Haha. As a consultant, I worked on a crapton of IoT projects. Not a single one could explain WHY they needed all that data. If you're just storing user actions, it's not really useful, or actionable.

I made coffee at 8:03 am on Tuesday, did laundry at 2:39.873 pm on a Saturday, or opened the fridge door at 6pm and closed it at 6:02pm.

So what.

[–] tachikoma@lemmy.today 28 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

So what?

Well you drink coffee in the morning so it's probable that you go to the bathroom soon after.

Oh your did laundry on Saturday the weekend? I bet your don't do laundry during the week because work. Maybe you won't be home around then...

Opened the fridge door at 6:00 pm and it was open for 2 minutes? I bet the person is hungry. Quick flash their marketing ID with ads for fast food!

Stuff like that is what they use the info for.

If you wear a smart watch that monitors your heartrate. You bet your ass they know when you have sex and when you need more condoms.

[–] kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Lmaooo. Those goofballs. As though I would ever use condoms…

[–] king_comrade@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Ahh a fellow gambling man

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[–] Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 weeks ago

The more info they have about you, the worse it gets.

And even if the company just uses your right to privacy just to make money through ads. You can be sure they will get hacked by people with even less morals.

They can use all that data to open a bank account on your name and commit tons of tax fraud.

Who do you think they will arrest? That is right, you.

And getting out of that will always cost you tons of time, effort and money. So good luck.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

they can sell the data. that's what.

all those habits will be used to build a profile used to create a custom marketing ads for you.

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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Home grade router counting is notriously inaccurate.

Keurig machines are best left at the shop. They create mountains of waste.

[–] tea_n_typewriters@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago

Home grade router counting can’t be that inaccurate. I just counted mine and found one.

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 9 points 2 weeks ago

I think you misspelled "left at the recycling center".

Can't give me one of those things.

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[–] diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (8 children)

Sounds like a generic botnet along with TVs, app based home cameras, routers and such.


Anyways, I remember some old story I've read, not idea if true or not, but someone was going over .sh files of a past employer and one of them telneted into a coffee machine (that reportedly nobody else knew had telnet) and made it brew coffee in just the right timing for the person to walk there and put a cup in the machine for coffee to start pouring right away. I guess that's one actually good use for a "smart coffee machine"... Or they could wait. Unless they are paid hourly and the coffee break isn't included, somehow.

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[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

why is a coffee machine connected to wifi ffs. user error there.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

It's not user error to use a product as designed. Pointlessly designing products to connect to the Internet is corporate error

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 6 points 2 weeks ago

It’s not user error to use a product as designed.

Buying it in the first place was the error.

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[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 21 points 2 weeks ago

From the article:

For those wondering why this is on my network, this belongs to my parents. I don’t police what they buy. I just help with their network, but this is a learning experience for them

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago

HTCPCP: Am I a joke to you?!

[–] Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Most of these things are user error

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Was it using the cloud to analyze the genome of the beans?

[–] PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] Hegar@fedia.io 6 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

10gb downloaded from a coffee machine is absolutely bonkers, surely that would be a story by itself if it werent for the two orders of magnitude greater uploads.

[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

YoU WoUlDnT dOwNlOaD a CoFfEe!?!?

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[–] Zensate@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

He needed more beans

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I wonder how much most means? How much is acceptable.

He found that while the coffee maker had generated 1TB of traffic, most of it stayed within his parents’ home network rather than being sent over the internet.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Someone took the idiom from the 00’s that “you can run linux on your coffee machine” too far.

[–] thenextguy@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago
418 I'm a teapot
[–] razen@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It was 10GB as far as I remember

[–] zakobjoa@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

The screenshot they shared showed 10GB down and 1000GB up.

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