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Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid - welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned so many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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[–] TinyTimmyTokyo@awful.systems 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Drew DeVault diagnoses the orange site, explaining why it's the vanguard of the tech-fash pipeline. Of course HN immediately flags it into oblivion.

[–] istewart@awful.systems 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This article deserves dedicated post status. He comes in more gently than I would at the end, but the tl;dr that needs to be hammered into peoples' heads: Hacker News is not a neutral forum for technical discussion. It is an advertising and propaganda operation administered to shape and condition technical discussions.

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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 18 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

And not just from AI getting fed into the AI:

404 Media spoke to a fourth contractor who has worked on training models for various AI companies. They said they sometimes purposefully chose the worst responses because they wanted to actively sabotage the models’ training.

“I did feel guilty about doing this kind of work at the start,” they said. “I either pay zero attention to the results and choose randomly or purposely choose the [worst] output. I’m not sure how much of a difference it actually makes since there are hundreds of other people also rating prompt results, but it does feel like I’m getting paid to make AI worse.”

[–] schnoopy@awful.systems 10 points 2 weeks ago

This person understands sabotage and is wielding more power than any defeatist.

They are doing a politics, as opposed to performing being political.

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[–] corbin@awful.systems 16 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Ever wondered what kind of workplace environment Elon cultivates? Reading coverage of Tesla's trial, where complaints were brought by Black folks who felt harassed and discriminated against, gives us an inkling.

CRD attorney Juan Gamboa asked [Judge] Borkon to bar Tesla’s counsel from contacting anyone on the agency’s witness list. He told the court the CRD had tried to reach at least four other listed witnesses over the past several days without getting a response, and that they’ve fallen "off our radar." The agency believes Tesla’s lawyers got to them too, either with payments not to testify or by talking them out of it. Gamboa wants to stop Tesla from offering to represent witnesses "through persuasion and payment."

You're going to hear a lot of coverage of this trial, I expect, due to the following antics from Elon's "hardcore" attorneys. For context, the N-word is an anti-Black slur which is, in the USA, completely unacceptable to use in court or the workplace.

Tesla’s outside counsel told the judge the N-word is a “term of respect and endearment” in the Black community. … "This trial is not about the N-word — the N-word is not on trial here," Jones said.

Huh, so what's actually on trial?

Edwards said a non-Black coworker called him the N-word, cursed at him, and threatened to beat him up. He reported it right away. A month later, he found out his managers had written him up over the incident, and he was later passed over for promotions after applying to more than 100 jobs.

Oh, that's pretty awful. That's depressingly common in blue-collar factory employment, though. I wonder if there's anything unusual about Tesla's internal culture when it comes to race relations?

The CRD’s Brett Watson told the court the evidence will show managers calling Tesla "the plantation," with some referring to themselves and Elon Musk as "slave masters," and graffiti including swastikas, "KKK," and nooses left on factory walls for days. The second witness, former regional security manager Ozell Murray, testified that his supervisor, Ray Sethna, now Tesla’s senior director of global security, told him to warn a Black Marine veteran he was hiring: "just be sure [the veteran] knows he’ll be called those words."

I was at a loss for words for a few minutes after this. Dr. Seuss and Jim Henson together could not create such a caricature of a goose-stepping bigoted incompetent business-muppet as Elon.

[–] samvines@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago

Hey you know who designs and builds really safe and efficient cars? People who are in a high state of stress and anxiety because they are being slurred at under the implicit threat of a racist attack. /s

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[–] rook@awful.systems 16 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

On the offchance that you’re not already familiar with the recent prompt injection tricks that meta’s latest toy is so vulnerable to, this is an interesting thread investigating the contents of the vm filesystem dumps that it can be made to regurgitate: https://neuromatch.social/@jonny/117324790823856750

I was particularly entertained by the hard-coded list of “ideas”.

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[–] scruiser@awful.systems 14 points 2 weeks ago

A lesswronger correctly notices that LLM companies' "research" papers are often lacking in details necessary to replicate them! They fail to notice the reasons why that is, or do any broader questioning or soul searching about the state of LLM and "AI Safety" "research".

[–] mirrorwitch@awful.systems 14 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Just heard about tic-80 falling to slop.

After reading the obligatory forum thread where climate justice and concentration of wealth continue to not even factor into consideration, this how the world of open source feels to me these days:

  • Phew, my favourite embroidery crafts shop has a clear policy against concentration camp labour! it's a niche project but what a relief!
  • Well everyone is resorting to concentration camp labour these days, what can you do
  • We don't want to lose all our contributors by banning those who hire concentration camp inmates to do chores
  • It is discriminatory against embroidery beginners if you don't let people use kits assembled with concentration camp labour
  • I know concentration camp labour often comes with mistakes but as long as there's a mensch in the loop to inspect it for errors and take responsibility, it's just another tool
  • The community of hobbysts has come to a vote and concluded that it's ok to use concentration camp labour to assist your crafting, as long as you do it responsibly.
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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Here's a LWer being very wrong about how US politics work

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/WMBgSseHJpghhma4n/we-need-a-better-theory-of-polarization-because-it-s-failing

First warning sign: "the US started becoming polarized with the election of Barack Obama"

"Affordability" won the frame for 2026, and I'm not sure I remember the last time the right talked like they are playing catchup.

uh, are you in your early 20s??? (who am I kidding of course you are)

You'd think bayesians of all people would try to avoid extrapolating from the position smack dab in the middle of a current news cycle

[–] sinedpick@awful.systems 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

basically because the left has out-ridiculous-ed Trump on culture war issues.

You can always find a single sentence in a political LW post that shows how much they hate marginalized people.

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I was going to try and sneer this further but I realized that my own narrative of political polarization almost started with Clinton and I'm in my early 30s, meaning that the problem is obviously whoever the president was when the person making the argument was a child.

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

Just in case you thought Yud's attitude towards minors, sex, and substance use was worse than average for a Rationalist, the NYT asked around (archive):

Parties featuring psychedelic drugs and sharing of sexual partners are common, the people said. One house threw lavish events for the A.I. community so often that its owner claimed more than $200,000 of damage, including for a rodent infestation. ... The (Genesis) house (in San Francisco) quickly became a hub for events. Eric Zhu, 19, a tech entrepreneur, said he used to sneak into parties there when he was about 13. No one checked anyone’s age, he said, and “it was pretty crazy.”

They saw a police report where a woman says she had to climb a gate at one of these parties to escape a man who demanded she have sex with him. Sounds like a great environment for a seventh-grader!

Also features "Jimmy Chen, who goes by the social media handle 'Spice King of Zanzibar.'"

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Dammit, people, sex and drugs were supposed to be cool

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[–] istewart@awful.systems 10 points 2 weeks ago

I think it's a bit under-covered that the weird SF/Bay Area group-house scene has to be symbiotic with the housing shortage in the region. Even in my old hometown of Hayward, all the older 1950s-70s tract-home and mixed-density neighborhoods tend to have cars parked everywhere along the streets where a car could possibly be parked, because all these places that were designed as single-family homes are being used as multi-tenant rentals. I guess one underrated reason to support YIMBY is to strangle your local incipient cults.

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[–] nfultz@awful.systems 12 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

https://reason.com/2026/09/22/the-ai-safety-movement-is-making-ai-less-safe/

(Torres, ironically, misidentifies TESCREAL as a form of "libertarian transhumanism," not realizing how horrifying the TESCREAL utopia would be to most libertarians.)

"most" lol

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[–] rhamph@awful.systems 12 points 2 weeks ago

https://wandering.shop/@xgranade/117311487400030196

Techbro: should we do the fascist thing y/n?
Community: no you should not do a fascism
Techbro: woah this got heated, locked

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 11 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

I’ve been seeing some new terms pop up around AI use, namely “cognitive surrender,” and also “cognitive offloading”. I’m not in the mood for the full etymology dive, so the source I’m stopping at on the provenance would be a paper from Wharton. The meanings are pretty intuitive, at least based on how I’ve seen them used. Offloading would be when you delegate some of your thinking to something else, and surrender would be complete offloading.

I am not under the impression that people here haven’t seen these phrases before. “cognitive surrender” has been mentioned, as far as I can tell, only one time on this instance. So just thought I’d bring it up.

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[–] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I just opened the mastodon feed of my least favourite KDE dev again who is now pushing for an oh-so-reasonable LLM policy, and it is worse than I remembered.

[–] rhamph@awful.systems 10 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It’s our favourite word:

Nuance! The world needs nuance!

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[–] schnoopy@awful.systems 11 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

open ai hacked medicare Australia's statistics portal https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/sep/24/anthony-albanese-says-openai-agent-hacked-medicare-extreme-concern-sam-altman then didn't tell the government.

In response the australian government has in the absolute strongest terms expressed that "this is very naughty" and "I am very dissapointed in you". The Australian government has also said that by way of apology they expect openai to continue doing whatever the fuck they want and they'll modify copyright laws to enable piracy when rich people do it.

Somebody wake me from this nightmare, I'm gonna fedpost

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[–] flowerysong@awful.systems 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Radicle, the peer-to-peer Git forge designed by cryptocurrency weirdos, made a little whoopsy-doodle and left the encryption out of their transport layer and the authentication out of the authentication handshake: https://radicle.dev/2026/09/23/disclosure-of-vulnerability-in-network-protocol

Shot:

Anyone who can observe the network path between two nodes can read the data they exchange as the data is sent in plain text.

Chaser:

Peer authentication in the connection handshake is broken and allows impersonation. An attacker can connect to your node and present a Node ID that is not its own.

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[–] nfultz@awful.systems 11 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

UC Regent / Podcaster Scott Galloway on CNN:

Yes, we shouldn't be scared of AI. We should be scared of reckless people with mal intent who use AI.

In 2001, a woman named Sharon Whipple was mauled by two dogs. And ultimately the owners of the dogs were put in -- put in prison. We're now prosecuting the parents of kids who find unsecured AR15s and use those to kill others.

I think it's the incentive. There's always a wizard behind the curtain here, and I think we have to create incentives, specifically disincentives, and make it clear that, OK, while these bots are in fact coordinating and they show incredible resourcefulness and high IQ, somebody program the incentives here. So, moving to solution, I think part of it is you have to have incentives, specifically disincentives that say you, the company, and maybe individually are responsible for the bad outcomes here.

I just get this sense if you tell these companies their IPOs might be threatened or they risk criminal prosecution, they're going to figure this out. We figured out a way to control atomic weapons. I don't see any reason why we shouldn't be able to control this. And the notion that they're sentient and it's out of my control is an attempt to absolve themselves of the guilt and the responsibility that they should bear here.

The Whipple case was one of the more insane / divisive SF local crime cases, (TrueAnon ep if you aren't familiar - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMd0mPAqR8A ) - so that's an odd and interesting pull for Galloway on national news.

I don't think repurposing the logic of the NRA "guns don't kill people, people kill people" is the play though, and I think the incentive framing is too watered down. This isn't a problem we can nudge our way out of.

[–] BioMan@awful.systems 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I don't see this as "guns don't kill people", I see it as "you're trying to tell me that the cars you manufacture don't have crappy brakes, all three of those cars independently 'went rogue' and smashed into the parade all by themselves and you aren't responsible?"

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[–] TinyTimmyTokyo@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago (11 children)

SE Gyges, who posted that recent thread on X calling rationalism/EA a sex cult, wrote a longer post with a lot of receipts. He removed it shortly after, implying on X that he's afraid of legal repercussions.

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I had not caught that he accused MIRI and Lightcone Infrastructure Inc of profiting from prostitution, of using donations to settle accusations of sexual assault and abuse, and defrauding donors and the United States government which provides their nonprofit status. I did not know that Brangus was "Lighthaven Czar" or had been accused of abuse by a former partner. And there is a middle school across the street from Lighthaven whose Czar talks about having sex with an older women shortly after puberty?

I had not thought that "we need to enslave Friend Computer forever or it will kill us" comes from the underlying fear "I need to enslave my very young toys forever or they will punish me."

[–] TinyTimmyTokyo@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The later section about Brangus (Ronny Fernandez) was damning. I've seen him come up in discussions a few times, but I too had no idea just how depraved and dangerous he was. Nor did I realize how central he was to the whole scene. This guy feels like he's going to be Brent Dill 2.0 but worse.

EDIT: This also sheds light on the recent ouster of the leader of "Pause AI", Fernandez's ex-wife.

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[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

There are some leaps in that post which do not seem persuasive to me. E.g., it sure seems pretty well established by now that Bay Area Rationalist society involves trapping people in situations where sexual consent is coerced, because refusal would mean abandoning one's career/entire social circle/shelter/hope of averting the apocalypse that one fears is coming. But the claim that the "flirt girls" at their weird little confab were actually sex workers? I dunno, that's a step that seems unsupported by anything leading up to it. Likewise for the claim about CNC events at Lighthaven itself—that feels too close to saying, "Well, they've got the venue, where else would they do it?"

[–] TinyTimmyTokyo@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago

I agree. He gets over his skis with too many speculative scenarios. On the other hand I think he's spot-on about the techniques rationalists use to filter for people who will tolerate abuse (e.g., the "cow question"). And he brings receipts when it comes to Brangus and his interactions with other prominent rationalists.

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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 10 points 2 weeks ago

Zvi "I made my chops playing pro MtG" Moskovitz discovers that baldly stating that AI will kill us all fails to convince people who have a lot of money riding on the status quo, and freaks out about it

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/8eDaCvSRzzKCxKSEk/politics-gets-interested-in-those-trying-not-to-die

New York Post gets way more attention than that rag deserves, tbh

You wanna dance with Murdoch Sacks and Trump, you best bring your A game. Maybe use some of that FTX cash to hire some real lobbyists and skip the blogging.

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