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[–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In other news: Trump doesn't want Greenland anymore...

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[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 231 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (35 children)

The title falsly implies that mercator is "incorrect". Mercator is an angle preserving projection, meaning all angles are true to real life. The "equal earth" map is an area preserving projection, meaning it retains the true area of countries, but in return the angles are all wrong. This makes equal earth unsuitable for navigation for example.

It is also wrong to imply that this is some kind of new development. This was very much known all along, mercator simply became the default because world maps used to be primarily for navigation.

[–] nuko147@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We had some cartography classes in the university and since then I cant accept anything other than 3D globe or parts of it.

I don't fly an airplane or sail a ship to need straight lines.

[–] starik@lemmy.today 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yes, all of the 2D projections distort too much. When possible, half of the globe should be shown, from whichever angle is most relevant. Many people have no idea what a map centered on the North Pole looks like, and how close the countries in the northern hemisphere are to each other.

[–] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 38 points 3 days ago

The title is incomplete, but then again the title is already pretty big without being "The UN has backed replacing the 500-year-old Mercator projection with maps that conform to the actual surface areas of the continents, including the Equal Earth cartographic projection, were appropriate"

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[–] DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago
[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Watch out, UN. My idiot president is gonna get mad.

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[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

All world maps are inaccurate except a globe. Equal Earth still shows distortions when you move closer to the poles. Instead of stretching along the latitude it now compresses along the longitude

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] echodot@feddit.uk 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So where's Antarctica on this map?

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[–] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Dymaxian is a pretty good one for showing sizes, useless for navigation though

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 79 points 2 days ago (18 children)

Every few years this comes up again, and every time some nonsense about colonialism or whatever is brought up.

There is no "true" size or "true" shape on a 2D projection of Earth's very 3D surface. We used the one projection for so long because of how coastal shapes don't get bent way out of proportion, but like with any projection, messes with the other aspects.

Rather than making spicy click bait titles every so often about the "true" projection of the Earth, how about we teach kids at school what it takes to project something 3D on a 2D surface?

And just use a fucking globe!

[–] Kobibi@sh.itjust.works 45 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (31 children)

As a neurodivergent map person, I'm over-aware of the difficulties of map projection. And I agree that simply calling this new projection 'accurate' is misleading

But at the same time, the use of the Mercator as the standard default map in situations that have nothing to do with ocean navigation for literally hundreds of years is absolutely a reflection of the relative power of the Global North, and can't be dismissed as 'nonsense about colonialism'

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I mean, before the advent of GPS, ships at sea got a "fix" of their position by taking two measurements: north/south latitude (via a sextant when the sun was visible) and east/west longitude (via a set of very accurate clocks that showed the time in Greenwich England, which could be easily compared to the time aboard ship). Mercator maps are just a grid showing where all the land is as a function of these two measurements on the X and Y axes. Any other projection would have just meant a lot more work figuring out where shit was, which is why Mercator became "the" map. It had absolutely nothing to do with any attempt to make Europe appear dominant -- Europe's dominance when these maps came into existence was too obvious and unquestioned to need any parlor tricks.

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Woo hoo! I'm going to hike across Siberia now. It is so small.

[–] SystemDisc@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don't believe you

Just another non issue. I can't believe anyone other than cartographers really care. If you want accurate, get one of those blow up globes. Or most of the online mapping sites that turn into a globe when you zoom out far enough.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm sure that was high on the list of demands for African counties, kept in a debt trap and exploited.

[–] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Best we can offer is changing a map.

[–] NeilNuggetstrong@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago (18 children)

I'm so sick of this shit. You want an accurate map? Buy a globe. There is no accurate flat map projections. All are wrong. Different projections have different flaws and serve different purposes.

[–] DaGeek247@fedia.io 50 points 2 days ago (2 children)
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[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago (4 children)

How will we deal with the spaces between the countries that will form? Especially the one under Russia

[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

We call the Dutch, they'll fill it up.

[–] Schmuppes@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

Gekoloniseerd!

[–] Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What is shown is just an online tool for showing true continent size. This is the equal earth projection, and you've probably already seen it in schools:

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

That's an equal area projection, and I hate that they named it Equal Earth when there's many ways to skin that cat. There are many ways to do equal area projections, such as Albers, Lambert, Mollweide, and more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-area_projection

They really should use the Winkel Tripel. It's a fantastic compromise projection that doesn't perfectly preserve anything (area, shape, size, and direction), but also doesn't horribly distort anything except for the shape of Antarctica.

[–] Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago

Oh god, I think I'm in love:

[–] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Do nothing. We are happy to see Russia going far away from the Finland.

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago
[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 27 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

This is true proportional/scaled size. I'm sure Russia is bigger than an inch wide as it's displayed on my screen

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This is going to piss off flat earthers. "What projection?"

3D surfaces refuse to play well with 2D projections.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

um, okay but this specific distortion is unhelpful to me. it just shows the extent of the distortion, not what the new map would be. the new map is the most pertinent piece of info.

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[–] JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I feel like I've been lied to even though I knew about the mercater projection.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's because you have been lied to.

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