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Does Aldi have a patent on requiring a quarter to use a cart, or something? I know people frequently don't carry change much anymore, but it seems to work pretty well so I'm sure people encountering this ensure they have a coin or two handy.
What infuriates me more is how so many companies - including Walmart - have eliminated virtually ALL trash receptacles in the parking lots. That's cheaping out to a ridiculous degree, IMHO.
My city council does the same. Over the years population and consumerism has built up, naturally, so the common effect is more trash.
There's still the issue that the overwhelming majority, by statistics, doesn't recycle. This can be addressed but isn't.
So leave your garbage in a cart in a Walmart parking lot. Oh, but we don't want to hurt the poor Walmart corporation my making them hire more people to deal with it - like with not putting a cart back in the coral.
No way.
Cunts just need to invest the bare minimum of effort required in order to be a member of society and return their trolley to the bay.
The coin lock thingy is shit.
I don't love the solution, but if people need training wheels they need training wheels
At least in Germany, where Aldi originates from, that's how almost all the carts work. Would doubt there's a (valid) patent, the idea is decades old.
Your Walmart only has two carts like that!? The one near me (which I refuse to go into) looks like a shopping cart battlefield.
Walmart is the physical manifestation of not returning a shopping cart.
In Europe you put a coin in to take the cart and get ir back when you lock it back in. Annoying, i know, but you can have a special token on your ring or keep a change in your car. But because of that, Carts are never a problem. Either people put it back, or some kids do it to get the coin. Either way, the car park is free of trolleys.
In the US Aldi grocery stores do this.
It has mixed effectiveness. Usually people put their carts up, but not always because "who cares its a quarter".
Quarter is nothing! But i get it, US has mostly paper money. In Europe it's usually 1 euro, or 2 euro.
The quarter could be just the price of going to Aldi, for some.
TIL this exists
But I must say... "can't leave a child unattended" is such an ass reason. Like, just bring the kids along? It's good education for the kids too. If they're a baby, well there are ways to carry a baby without using your hands. If you don't have one, then fine, but I also tells me that you have no one to rely on to take care of a baby for an hour or even two when you need it, and it makes me wonder what your relationship is with those around you.
It's not a common scenario nowadays, but I have a coworker with 4 incredibly young children all only a year or two apart in age. A bit harder to wrangle that many children who are that young.
Yea, but I'd imagine it'd be hard to even bring all 4 out by themselves, that even before you get into the supermarket, it'd probably already be tiring. So I'd imagine they'd usually be out with their partner when they have all 4 kids with them. And I'd imagine the oldest would be at least a 5 year old in that scenario, 4 if the parents try really hard and get really lucky, and that's old enough to understand basic instructions and walk on their own. Tough luck if the eldest is playful, but, I mean, you know what you're getting into knowing your eldest is playful, but still deciding that bringing 4 young kids alone to a supermarket is gonna work out safely in a car-centric place (yeah, I think having people to push large carts to a car implies that the place is build for cars, which are inherently a dangerous for kids).
And heck, I grew up in such a family, though to be fair, I grew up in Asia, where it isn't uncommon to have extended family members all live in the same town, and help share the work of taking care of children. I understand that it simply isn't the culture in Western countries, especially North America. But we can make friends, and have them help watch the kids while we go get groceries, or have them help us get groceries, and either way pay them back in some way, right?
My whole refute isn't targeting any specific circumstance a person may have with how many or how naughty their children can be. The point is that the circumstance doesn't matter. Regardless of the circumstance, if they can't even consider the fact that they cannot take care of all those children on their own, but they have to bring the kids along anyways to a supermarket, and struggle to keep tabs on them all, then it tells me that
All these suggest to me that they lack the ability to be an adult who is well-equipped to take care of their children, and putting the cart back is simply the manifestation of all these deficiencies.
Exactly! I used to take one of my kids to Costco regularly. Just me and him. When he was too little to be left in the car while I returned the cart, I'd just take him with me when putting the cart back in the return area. It's not that hard. People are just lazy. And the Shopping Cart Theory has a lot of merit to it.
It does get a little more complicated when you're alone with three kids, but it's not impossible. Put the kids in the car and walk the cart to the corral. If you're in a parking lot where it isn't safe to leave the kids alone in the car for 10 seconds, I'd recommend that you avoid shopping there.
Exactly. And depending on the kids, you could also make it a small, fun activity for them: help daddy/mommy/whatever you have your kids call you bring the cart to where it should be. It'd be no different from having the kids put their toys away, but just with something that may be beyond their strength, but you're an adult, so just pull the cart from the side enough to help the kids move the cart and steer it to avoid hitting stuff.
If the kids are tired, have em just walk like 30s more? If you can't even do that and your kid starts throwing a tantrum, then you have other problems with the kid and so you deal with it like you're supposed to anyways. The kid isn't going to just turn responsible without the parent doing something after all.
This gave me an idea. Is it possible to judge a society by looking at supermarket parking lots?
No. In Germany this is unthinkable behavior, but our society is still shit.
Having spent a decent amount of time in Germany (but not integrating into society): what about it is shit? From an outsider’s perspective, you guys seem to have it mostly together. Sure AfD exists, a percentage of the population will always be trash. But social services are there, mass transit is acceptable, and the economy is probably the strongest in Europe.
Germany still has a good image, that is true. It's very hard to address all your points without writing a book, so I keep it short. But if there is anything you are interested in more detail, let me know!
"AfD exists" is an understatement, especially when you look at the election results from yesterday
The far right is moving forward and minorities get crushed more and more like everywhere in the west.
Social services - many people will be poor when they are old, because Germanys retirement system is broken. You need to make private investments in order to make a living, no matter how long you have worked. Regarding the health service - I made an appointment for a rheuma doctor 2 month ago, it will be in January 2027. I live in a major city with >600k inhabitants.
The mass transit is so shitty, I can't even begin speaking about Deutsche Bahn without getting so angry it will kill my mood. In big cities, yes, busses and trams are well (as long as it is below 30°), but the rest is really bad.
The economy is in a downwards spiral, the state makes debts as never before, the car market is slowly overtaken by China, job losses are on the rise.
These are all problems that are independent of our government, which is one of the worst we ever had. Defense is the only sector where they have ambitions.
Ah, looks like you’re following ’murica’s lead. Don’t worry, it gets worse!
I am fully aware :( I am lucky to be a white heterosexual academic, but I fear a lot for my friends and all the people who aren't resilient enough for this.
I don't mean to be dismissive, but most of what you've described is present elsewhere to varying degrees.
Australia seems comparable on all points, although our pension / super system is not great but not terrible.
Our real estate market is shit, with most people priced out of the market over the last decade.
Sure, it's happening in most countries of the west because of the demographic change and shifts in global power away from the US.
You can certainly judge an individual by what they do with their carts, if not a whole society.
Don't ever come to Australia. It's an entire country full of scumbags too lazy to return their carts. They'll just chuck it in an empty parking space so you can't see it until you've committed to the space.
You guys need to start cleaning your forests, they are making a mess in your parking lots. Probably a fire hazard.
Cart Narcs dropping the ball.
*while waving light stick
Weeewooo beeebleeeeboooboooo - that's not where the cart goes, sir.
So I used to return my carts all the time. Then I actually talked to people who grab carts. They appreciate getting the stray carts because it’s the only time they have to check their phone and just get some time.
Then I asked myself… am I putting the carts away because that’s what I was trained to do by capitalism or is it because it’s the “right” thing to do? My response to that question is somewhere in the middle between the extremes.
I've had to do this at Walmart before, but not intentionally. The safety alarm locked the wheels and I couldn't move it. It wasn't for a lack of trying though and after a few attempts of lifting it, I gave up. Otherwise there's no excuse.
I was at a grocery store that had those. I didn't realize at first. I figured the wheels just got stuck.
I guess I'm more of a gorilla than they expected, because I just kept pushing it to where I was parked. An employee ran out to unlock it before I ground the wheels flat.
A little extra cardio never hurts.
I'll take the hard to push cart, if I get it by chance.
It's fucking Walmart. Why are you there?
I was a cartpusher for my first formalish job.
I probably wouldn't be too annoyed having to deal with that just because the coral is a fucking hassle that made the job harder in some ways. The metal on the bottom is always all messed up from people hitting the coral and the carts need extra man handling to get through. Also having different kinds of carts makes them not stack and need to be pulled apart or left next to it and taken back by hand. Also one cart facing a different direction than all the others usually happens anyway. The benefit of having them already stacked up or close to it is already defeated by those things and you spend more time screwing around with the coral than if they were just in an open spot that allows for me to just move them.
I've seen so many people put in significant effort to shove them into the sidewalk or gravel over a curb and that IS the infuriating part for me. It's going out of your way to accomplish absolutely nothing helpful. It makes a physical pain having to lift and drag them all back. All it did was make me need to drop everything and clear off the sidewalk so people in the mobility scooters and a few regulars who came in wheelchairs could actually traverse the lot.
I have my own theory as to the logic of where people leave the carts. Basically everyone hiding their cart in the space in front of their car like an Easter egg hunt or shoving them over the curb never appear to believe that they are doing anything other than being helpful or convenient. I think it comes down to carbrain thinking where the path that vehicles use is the big sacred thing to protect and keep clear first and foremost in their minds.
In case you weren't aware, the cart corral is not there to make it more convenient for the cart wranglers. The reason it's there is to make it more unlikely that a cart will roll free and slam into a parked car.
The people not returning their carts to the corral are dickheads because the carts they abandon could damage someone else's car.
The people putting their carts over the curb or in the grass or wherever are lazy, but they are at least considerate enough to make sure the abandoned cart won't roll into someone.
curb never appear to believe that they are doing anything other than being helpful or convenient.
"i am preventing my shopping cart from rolling away and hitting another car. that is the extent of my social obligation" i think is the thought process. not "i should put the shit i am borrowing away when i am done with it"
Well how else is a cart going to bang into a car?
It takes three calories to push it that extra 12 feet. I thought this was America. Maybe they do this in Cuba.
Meh. When I walk past one on the way in, I grab it because I'm going to get one at the door anyway.
I park near the corral so it's easy to return the cart. That's all I do, but I don't care what other people do. There are plenty of other things to get upset about that deserve our attention more.
I worked at a grocery store in the late 80s. It was not common to return your cart at that time. I think it is generally a good thing that society has moved to the expectation that you should return your cart. Most places where I live do not have the coin for a cart but one place does. Living without the coin for a cart is a fair trade for returning the cart to the corral, in my opinion.
Your character is how you act when no one is watching.
The same people who leave trash within a few feet of a trashcan.